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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 3:22:42 GMT -5
You are right in that Mark was the most consistent, but that's because of pair missions - he just had the right draw of a partner every time. No way in hell was he the best individual that season, according to the scoreboard he was, but generally speaking he wasn't because of his individual mission performances (in which he was outperformed by three other individuals).Mark didn't D'Q in a single one of those individual missions, while Jamie, Antoine and Eric did. He played the game the best by being consistent. Eric and Jamie DQed once, despite that they were still better individually than Mark was. I understand what you're saying about him not disqualifying in a mission, and that's a great stat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 3:28:19 GMT -5
Eric and Jamie DQed once, despite that they were still better individually than Mark was. I understand what you're saying about him not disqualifying in a mission, and that's a great stat. And Antoine DQed in Maximum Velocity. Bottom line, Mark played the game the best, so he should be credited as the best on Battle of the Sexes alone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 3:33:02 GMT -5
Eric and Jamie DQed once, despite that they were still better individually than Mark was. I understand what you're saying about him not disqualifying in a mission, and that's a great stat. And Antoine DQed in Maximum Velocity. Bottom line, Mark played the game the best, so he should be credited as the best on Battle of the Sexes alone. Still the fourth best in individual missions...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 3:55:25 GMT -5
Still the fourth best in individual missions... The best competitors shouldn't only be measured by mission stats, but also their own individual strengths in categories such as physical strength, athleticism, stamina, endurance, mental strength, intelligence and leadership. Mark by far is superior in leadership and intelligence (on the challenge) than anyone in the top five all time, to go along with his physical strength which is probably only bested by CT.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 4:23:06 GMT -5
He's not top three to me for the simple fact that he was the fourth best individual statistically on Sexes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 4:26:11 GMT -5
He's not top three to me for the simple fact that he was the fourth best individual statistically on Sexes. But yet he was top three on Battle of the Sexes 2, top two on the Duel 2 (at 37), and top two or three on Exes (at 40). Battle of the Sexes wasn't his only challenge performance man. He was also the most valuable and best on the Veterans on the Gauntlet 2.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 21:54:09 GMT -5
01. CT
02. Dan S.
03. Theo
04. Landon
05. Mark
06. Mike The Miz
07. Derrick
08. Abram
09. Brad
10. Evan
11. Alton
12. Jamie
13. Christian
14. Antoine
15. Eric N.
16. Colin
17. Adam L.
18. Johnny
19. Darrell
20. Wes
21. Timmy
22. James
23. Shane
24. Frank
25. Theo G.
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Post by Nate on Jun 15, 2013 22:41:20 GMT -5
These lists change monthly, I swear.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 0:18:45 GMT -5
10. Evan
11. Alton
12. Jamie13. Christian 14. Antoine 15. Eric N. 16. Colin 17. Adam L. 18. Johnny Jamie should be 10th like you had him before, Alton is again ranked too high. And to rank Johnny over Darrell and Wes is a complete joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 0:47:20 GMT -5
10. Evan
11. Alton
12. Jamie13. Christian 14. Antoine 15. Eric N. 16. Colin 17. Adam L. 18. Johnny Jamie should be 10th like you had him before, Alton is again ranked too high. And to rank Johnny over Darrell and Wes is a complete joke. Jamie isn't good enough for a 10 spot. Jamie was outperformed by Antoine and Eric N. on Battle of the Sexes in individual missions. Colin was in par with Jamie (who's 16). Alton has the second biggest accomplishment in challenge history (next to Christian's) in Wrap and Roll, where he and Susie were the only team to complete one of the most difficult missions of all time. It's a complete joke to rank him over a competitor who was like the tenth/eleventh best on the Gauntlet? Puhleasze.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 1:01:55 GMT -5
Jamie should be 10th like you had him before, Alton is again ranked too high. And to rank Johnny over Darrell and Wes is a complete joke. Jamie isn't good enough for a 10 spot. Jamie was outperformed by Antoine and Eric N. on Battle of the Sexes in individual missions. Colin was in par with Jamie (who's 16). Alton has the second biggest accomplishment in challenge history (next to Christian's) in Wrap and Roll, where he and Susie were the only team to complete one of the most difficult missions of all time. It's a complete joke to rank him over a competitor who was like the tenth/eleventh best on the Gauntlet? Puhleasze. Jamie was more of a complete competitor than Evan and Alton and Evan and Alton suffered major downgrades on their later challenges. Alton was a one dimensional competitor who mainly excelled at climbing and had no strong ability outside of physical prowess. Not to mention he downgraded as a competitor. And Darrell's performances on the Inferno, Fresh Meat and on the Ruins in which he clearly was a superior competitor to Johnny should not be overlooked. You point out Darrell's Gauntlet performance as a major flaw, but yet Johnny was eliminated first on the Duel, was the first team member eliminated for the Veterans on the Gauntlet 3, and would of been eliminated second on the Island had Abram not quit. When was Darrell ever subject to being eliminated like Johnny was?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 1:17:42 GMT -5
Great points for Jamie. Darrell was the fourth best competitor on the Inferno after CT, Mike, and Shane. Nothing special, but not enough to earn him a spot over Johnny Bananas. Darrell didn't do anything special on Fresh Meat. The Ox Slide Mission is really the only thing you use to top his spot over Johnny, as well as his performance in Grope The Rope. On The Ruins, he beat Danny who's 0-6 and Cohutta is a decent competitor. He really hasn't done anything special to top him over Johnny. Johnny beat Mark on Exes, which is better than any of Darrell's wins. He also beat Dunbar in a physical competition. As for Johnny leaving home first on the Duel, that's because it was basically a crapshoot of an elimination and you know it. It was I Can. On G3, he got sent home in a sliders puzzle (which is somewhat a bulls*** elimination game), in which everyone was helping Evan figure it out. And in the Mark Long interview, which I'm guessing was done after Exes, in one of the questions he is asked who he thinks is the best competitor is and he says CT and Johnny. The fact that he put Johnny makes me think he was beat fair and square.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 1:26:41 GMT -5
Great points for Jamie. Darrell was the fourth best competitor on the Inferno after CT, Mike, and Shane. Nothing special, but not enough to earn him a spot over Johnny Bananas. Darrell didn't do anything special on Fresh Meat. The Ox Slide Mission is really the only thing you use to top his spot over Johnny, as well as his performance in Grope The Rope. On The Ruins, he beat Danny who's 0-6 and Cohutta is a decent competitor. He really hasn't done anything special to top him over Johnny. Johnny beat Mark on Exes, which is better than any of Darrell's wins. He also beat Dunbar in a physical competition. As for Johnny leaving home first on the Duel, that's because it was basically a crapshoot of an elimination and you know it. It was I Can. On G3, he got sent home in a sliders puzzle (which is somewhat a bulls*** elimination game), in which everyone was helping Evan figure it out. And in the Mark Long interview, which I'm guessing was done after Exes, in one of the questions he is asked who he thinks is the best competitor is and he says CT and Johnny. The fact that he put Johnny makes me think he was beat fair and square. Johnny beat a Mark who clearly wasn't trying his best, and only beat Dunbar because he had a leverage advantage. The fact of the matter is, Darrell is physically superior to Johnny, has better stamina, and Darrell's best performances in missions are superior to any of Johnny's best. Mark cited CT and Johnny solely because of Exes, and anyone who has strong logic and analysis can easily see Mark wasn't trying to win in the first and third rounds against Johnny in their elimination round which obviously means he threw it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 23:02:26 GMT -5
15. Eric N.
16. Colin
17. Adam L. Adam Larson may of been better than Colin and Eric Nies, he was on par with Theo on the Gauntlet in mission performance. Adam outperformed Theo in five missions and Theo outperformed Adam in five missions. Adam has leadership over Colin and Eric as well. He was the leader of the Road Rules team on the Gauntlet, while Theo was his right hand man.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 2:40:45 GMT -5
15. Eric N.
16. Colin
17. Adam L. Adam Larson may of been better than Colin and Eric Nies, he was on par with Theo on the Gauntlet in mission performance. Adam outperformed Theo in five missions and Theo outperformed Adam in five missions. Adam has leadership over Colin and Eric as well. He was the leader of the Road Rules team on the Gauntlet, while Theo was his right hand man. Well, maybe better than Colin, but not Eric N. Eric outperformed Mark in six out of nine individual missions on Sexes. Colin outperformed Mark as well I think, by one individual mission. Eric N. and Colin outperformed Mark (#1 in your list) in individual missions on Sexes, while Adam performed on par with Theo (#4 in your list) in individual missions on the Gauntlet. So in your case, it definitely wouldn't make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 2:48:56 GMT -5
Well, maybe better than Colin, but not Eric N. Eric outperformed Mark in six out of nine individual missions on Sexes. Colin outperformed Mark as well I think, by one individual mission. Eric N. and Colin outperformed Mark (#1 in your list) in individual missions on Sexes, while Adam performed on par with Theo (#4 in your list) in individual missions on the Gauntlet. So in your case, it definitely wouldn't make sense. Eric downgraded quit a bit on Battle of the Sexes 2, Adam would of continued to be a very solid competitor on the challenge (he was very good on Road Rules Viewer's Revenge which was in 2007).
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Post by Brian on Jun 20, 2013 18:52:43 GMT -5
Superboy, where do you rank Syrus all time?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2013 18:56:41 GMT -5
Superboy, where do you rank Syrus all time? Somewhere in the 40-45 range.
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Post by Brian on Jun 20, 2013 19:26:58 GMT -5
Superboy, where do you rank Syrus all time? Somewhere in the 40-45 range. I was expecting a little bit higher.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2013 5:04:14 GMT -5
I was expecting a little bit higher. Not after recent challenges which added some decent competitors like CJ and Leroy for example.
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