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Post by DB on Jun 4, 2013 22:41:15 GMT -5
CT wasn't in CT shape for that challenge. If you recall he was a little heavier than normal. While he still would have dominated the missions/eliminations, he would have lost a final easily I think.
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Post by townie on Jun 4, 2013 22:46:50 GMT -5
Chris is naturally very athletic. He will always be very strong, fast, & explosive in short spurts and would've excelled in the challenges and eliminations like you said. But, I don't think it would've mattered what kind of shape he was in had Landon made the final. I do not believe there is a competitor in the history of the show that would be able to take him in a final challenge.
I still personally think there was some political jive with the producers going on when Landon lost that Duel to Brad. Brad was awarded a point because Landon didn't run directly over to his hook after getting Brad's ring off his back. Then, they give Brad the deciding point in the Duel when he broke the same exact rule Landon was penalized for earlier. Looking back at how big of a portion of that final was done on mountain bikes and given Landon's vast mountain biking experience, I think they screwed him over just to make a more TV friendly final because Landon would've demolished those guys had he been there.
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 4, 2013 22:49:55 GMT -5
even without the bikes Landon would still smoke evan and mark
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Post by townie on Jun 4, 2013 22:51:16 GMT -5
I agree 100%, and the fact that there were bikes in the final would've made it a pretty anti-climactic finale to what was, for the most part, a pretty lackluster season anyway.
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Post by DB on Jun 4, 2013 22:51:47 GMT -5
Chris is naturally very athletic. He will always be very strong, fast, & explosive in short spurts and would've excelled in the challenges and eliminations like you said. But, I don't think it would've mattered what kind of shape he was in had Landon made the final. I do not believe there is a competitor in the history of the show that would be able to take him in a final challenge. I still personally think there was some political jive with the producers going on when Landon lost that Duel to Brad. Brad was awarded a point because Landon didn't run directly over to his hook after getting Brad's ring off his back. Then, they give Brad the deciding point in the Duel when he broke the same exact rule Landon was penalized for earlier. Looking back at how big of a portion of that final was done on mountain bikes and given Landon's vast mountain biking experience, I think they screwed him over just to make a more TV friendly final because Landon would've demolished those guys had he been there. CT is the best athlete to ever do these shows, no doubt. Only Landon is comparable like you said. But, you can be as athletic as you want, but being athletic and running 10 miles are two separate things entirely. Or are you saying it wouldn't matter how fit CT was nobody could ever take Landon?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2013 22:52:18 GMT -5
Townie you know CT personally right?
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Post by townie on Jun 4, 2013 22:53:39 GMT -5
Chris is naturally very athletic. He will always be very strong, fast, & explosive in short spurts and would've excelled in the challenges and eliminations like you said. But, I don't think it would've mattered what kind of shape he was in had Landon made the final. I do not believe there is a competitor in the history of the show that would be able to take him in a final challenge. I still personally think there was some political jive with the producers going on when Landon lost that Duel to Brad. Brad was awarded a point because Landon didn't run directly over to his hook after getting Brad's ring off his back. Then, they give Brad the deciding point in the Duel when he broke the same exact rule Landon was penalized for earlier. Looking back at how big of a portion of that final was done on mountain bikes and given Landon's vast mountain biking experience, I think they screwed him over just to make a more TV friendly final because Landon would've demolished those guys had he been there. CT is the best athlete to ever do these shows, no doubt. Only Landon is comparable like you said. But, you can be as athletic as you want, but being athletic and running 10 miles are two separate things entirely. Or are you saying it wouldn't matter how fit CT was nobody could ever take Landon? I was saying that it wouldn't have mattered what kind of shape CT was in for Duel 2 because I don't believe he would've beaten Landon in the final regardless. Landon is a long distance monster. Kenny is also exceptional at long distance stuff too.
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Post by DB on Jun 4, 2013 22:56:52 GMT -5
CT is the best athlete to ever do these shows, no doubt. Only Landon is comparable like you said. But, you can be as athletic as you want, but being athletic and running 10 miles are two separate things entirely. Or are you saying it wouldn't matter how fit CT was nobody could ever take Landon? I was saying that it wouldn't have mattered what kind of shape CT was in for Duel 2 because I don't believe he would've beaten Landon in the final regardless. Landon is a long distance monster. Kenny is also exceptional at long distance stuff too. Ok i gotcha. That's a reason why I'm glad CT went home. He wasn't the CT from previous shows, and he would have been embarrassed in that final with Landon. If we was in top shape it could have at least been entertaining.
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 5, 2013 0:23:48 GMT -5
I think Darrell is the best when it comes to finals. After that it goes Landon then Kenny.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 4:19:22 GMT -5
Chris is naturally very athletic. He will always be very strong, fast, & explosive in short spurts and would've excelled in the challenges and eliminations like you said. But, I don't think it would've mattered what kind of shape he was in had Landon made the final. I do not believe there is a competitor in the history of the show that would be able to take him in a final challenge.Darrell has something to say to that. And I never expect to see a Vevmo member of your stature here. Looks like the Vevmo mods have upped their ability to be a**holes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 4:20:50 GMT -5
CT is the best athlete to ever do these shows, no doubt. Only Landon is comparable like you said. But, you can be as athletic as you want, but being athletic and running 10 miles are two separate things entirely. Or are you saying it wouldn't matter how fit CT was nobody could ever take Landon? Alton and Chadwick were more athletic. CT is third I'd say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 5:08:32 GMT -5
I personally wish Chris didn't get kicked off Duel 2 because that entire season would've played out much, much differently than it did. I can almost guarantee that Mark and Evan would not have seen the final challenge. I personally think he & Landon are the two best athletes that have ever been on the shows & it would've been cool to see them compete against each other throughout the season & then in the final. Mark would of been in the final, no one was going to call him out. Evan on the other hand, who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 10:09:20 GMT -5
Mark's the smartest strategic competitor mission wise in challenge history. And there are three missions that prove this, which are Sa Wing (Battle of the Sexes 2), Pull Me (the Gauntlet 2) and Don't Rock the Boat (Exes). In the Sa Wing mission, Eric, Shane and Frank all failed to complete the mission and it looked like a losing mission for the males, until Mark went and not only completed, but gave the strategy of saving your arm strength to the rest of the males (whom all went to complete the mission) and the males won the mission. In the Pull Me mission, Mark gave the strategy of not pulling but resisting and was the main reason his unit was able to hold on so long and the Veterans won the mission. And in the Don't Rock the Boat, Mark used the strategy of jumping to the next platform almost as soon as Robin jumped on and grabbed a hold of him (instead of him and Robin waiting until they got good positioning and balance like the other teams did) which paid off well as Mark and Robin went to win the mission. So Mark was clearly the main (not only) reason his teams won those missions, his strategic smarts in missions is clearly untouched by any competitor in challenge history.
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Post by autoamerican14 on Jun 5, 2013 14:23:29 GMT -5
You have a very valid point there SB. What Mark did on Pull Me was outstanding.
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Post by townie on Jun 5, 2013 14:27:37 GMT -5
CT is the best athlete to ever do these shows, no doubt. Only Landon is comparable like you said. But, you can be as athletic as you want, but being athletic and running 10 miles are two separate things entirely. Or are you saying it wouldn't matter how fit CT was nobody could ever take Landon? Alton and Chadwick were more athletic. CT is third I'd say. Alton is vastly overrated. The guy can climb, that's it.
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 5, 2013 15:34:05 GMT -5
3 or 4 times over the course of two challenges constitutes "several" times? CT was the top male performer in 75% of the challenges on Inferno 1 & 2 accumulatively. Yeah that's the definition of several... That's what I'm saying to be able to outperform the best competitor in challenge history during his prime when he was the top performer 75% of the time is an amazing feat and should add to Darrell's already solid resume
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2013 18:56:49 GMT -5
Alton is vastly overrated. The guy can climb, that's it. Yeah that's true, but I'm talking about as far as athleticism goes, Alton is superior to CT.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 20:26:07 GMT -5
What I'm trying to say is: Eric Nies (a guy who's like 17-20 in our lists) outperformed Mark in five out of six individual missions. Antoine (a guy who's like 15 or 16 in our lists) outperformed Mark in six out of nine individual missions. Jamie (a guy who's like 10 in our lists) outperformed Mark in five out of nine missions. Technically, Mark was the fourth best individual on Battle of the Sexes. Like I said before for other challengers, if you can't be the best competitor in your "so called best season", then you can't be the be number one all-time. Mark was outperformed by three other competitors in individual missions in Battle of the Sexes, and Battle of the Sexes has always been your strongest point of why Mark is at the number one spot all-time. With that being said, Eric Nies without a doubt moves into my top fifteen. Going back to this, Mark played the "game" the best. On Battle of the Sexes, it didn't matter if you were the best individual performer because a single D'Q could ruin your score (Eric Nies for example). The key to making it the final was being consistent in missions, which Mark did the best out of everyone. So Mark actually was the best individual performer on Battle of the Sexes according to the system in which the game was played, though he wasn't the "strongest" performer. Regardless, Mark still should be highly credited for that season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 3:12:44 GMT -5
What I'm trying to say is: Eric Nies (a guy who's like 17-20 in our lists) outperformed Mark in five out of six individual missions. Antoine (a guy who's like 15 or 16 in our lists) outperformed Mark in six out of nine individual missions. Jamie (a guy who's like 10 in our lists) outperformed Mark in five out of nine missions. Technically, Mark was the fourth best individual on Battle of the Sexes. Like I said before for other challengers, if you can't be the best competitor in your "so called best season", then you can't be the be number one all-time. Mark was outperformed by three other competitors in individual missions in Battle of the Sexes, and Battle of the Sexes has always been your strongest point of why Mark is at the number one spot all-time. With that being said, Eric Nies without a doubt moves into my top fifteen. Going back to this, Mark played the "game" the best. On Battle of the Sexes, it didn't matter if you were the best individual performer because a single D'Q could ruin your score (Eric Nies for example). The key to making it the final was being consistent in missions, which Mark did the best out of everyone. So Mark actually was the best individual performer on Battle of the Sexes according to the system in which the game was played, though he wasn't the "strongest" performer. Regardless, Mark still should be highly credited for that season.You are right in that Mark was the most consistent, but that's because of pair missions - he just had the right draw of a partner every time. No way in hell was he the best individual that season, according to the scoreboard he was, but generally speaking he wasn't because of his individual mission performances (in which he was outperformed by three other individuals).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 3:19:32 GMT -5
You are right in that Mark was the most consistent, but that's because of pair missions - he just had the right draw of a partner every time. No way in hell was he the best individual that season, according to the scoreboard he was, but generally speaking he wasn't because of his individual mission performances (in which he was outperformed by three other individuals).Mark didn't D'Q in a single one of those individual missions, while Jamie, Antoine and Eric did. He played the game the best by being consistent.
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