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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 8:18:39 GMT -5
1. CT 2. Mark Long 3. Landon 4. Dan Setzler 5. Theo Von 6. Mike the Miz 7. Derrick 8. Darrell 9. Abram 10. Evan 11. Jamie 12. Brad 13. Antoine 14. Alton 15. Johnny 16. Eric N 17. Wes 18. Timmy 19. Shane 20. Dave Giutoli
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 10:05:37 GMT -5
1. CT 2. Mark Long 3. Landon 4. Dan Setzler 5. Theo Von 6. Mike the Miz 7. Derrick 8. Darrell9. Abram 10. Evan 11. Jamie 12. Brad 13. Antoine 14. Alton 15. Johnny16. Eric N 17. Wes 18. Timmy 19. Shane 20. Dave Giutoli Darrell is way too high, Johnny is not better than Eric Nies or Wes. And Dave is way too high.
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 12:33:06 GMT -5
Yeah Eric Nies is better than Johnny but not Wes he had a major downgrade on FM2, Exes, and Seasons2 which is about equal to Johnny's poor performances on The Duel and Gauntlet 3. Both have inflated elimination records, Wes's only good win was pole wrestle against Derrick and Johnny's only good win was against Dunbar. What gives Johnny the slight edge IMO is his success and consistency in finals. He has performed almost flawlessly in every final he has been in.
Dave performed on par with Theo Von and Adam L and was a team leader along with the 2 of them on the Gauntlet. He showed good physical abilities by winning a Life Shield in Sink your Ship and showed good leadership.
My logic for Darrell being so high is based off the assumption that Abram is a top 5-10 competitor(which seems to be a pretty unanimous opinion)Darrell had one poor performance- Infeno 2, one average performance - The Gauntlet and Three Outstanding performances - The Ruins, Fresh Meat and the Inferno 1, I don't count Fresh Meat 2 because he was eliminated in the first episode because Cara Maria freaked out and choked. Abram has had two poor performances- the Gauntlet and Battle of the Sexes 2, two average performances - Exes and The Inferno, and three outstanding performances- Inferno 2, Inferno 3, and Cutthroat. I don't count the Island for Abe since he left so early and threw one of the two faceoffs he was there for. So the two of them are pretty even in terms of consistency. Darrell outperformed CT in both Grope the Rope and Bird Feeder missions on the Inferno 1. Abram has NEVER outperformed CT in a mission on the 3 challenges they've been on together. They showed they are on par together by both scoring 20.2 on the Zip up challenge on Inferno 2. Darrell has shown to struggle on puzzles as shown in his exiles and Abram has shown to struggle with mental focus as shown on his DQs on Battle of the Sexes 2. I give Darrell the slight edge because he is better in Endurance considering Abram gassed out and Darrell excelled in his Exile and finals
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 12:42:41 GMT -5
Yeah Eric Nies is better than Johnny but not Wes he had a major downgrade on FM2, Exes, and Seasons2 which is about equal to Johnny's poor performances on The Duel and Gauntlet 3. Both have inflated elimination records, Wes's only good win was pole wrestle against Derrick and Johnny's only good win was against Dunbar. What gives Johnny the slight edge IMO is his success and consistency in finals. He has performed almost flawlessly in every final he has been in. Wes has better individual mission stats than Johnny and better elimination round wins. Wes victory against Chet and Brandon were quality wins for the simple fact that he could of lost both elimination rounds. Johnny winning in the final missions on Rivals and Exes were only due to Wes going down with an injury and CT gassing out due to not pacing himself. It's not like Johnny was the better competitor in those final missions so that's not a strong case on your part. Johnny as an individual competitor (not when paired up with someone) is NOT better than Wes! Plain and simple! Wes would beat Johnny in most elimination rounds.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 12:46:06 GMT -5
Dave performed on par with Theo Von and Adam L and was a team leader along with the 2 of them on the Gauntlet. He showed good physical abilities by winning a Life Shield in Sink your Ship and showed good leadership. Dave was NOT on par with Adam and Theo on the Gauntlet! Dave performed well at the beginning of the challenge, but then fell towards the middle and end of it. And Dave showed NO leadership on the Gauntlet! He was actually quiet and wasn't featured saying much throughout the challenge. Which is surprising because he was "the man" on Road Rules South Pacific. Everything you pretty much said about Dave is false.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 12:49:32 GMT -5
My logic for Darrell being so high is based off the assumption that Abram is a top 5-10 competitor(which seems to be a pretty unanimous opinion)Darrell had one poor performance- Infeno 2, one average performance - The Gauntlet and Three Outstanding performances - The Ruins, Fresh Meat and the Inferno 1, I don't count Fresh Meat 2 because he was eliminated in the first episode because Cara Maria freaked out and choked. Abram has had two poor performances- the Gauntlet and Battle of the Sexes 2, two average performances - Exes and The Inferno, and three outstanding performances- Inferno 2, Inferno 3, and Cutthroat. I don't count the Island for Abe since he left so early and threw one of the two faceoffs he was there for. So the two of them are pretty even in terms of consistency. Darrell outperformed CT in both Grope the Rope and Bird Feeder missions on the Inferno 1. Abram has NEVER outperformed CT in a mission on the 3 challenges they've been on together. They showed they are on par together by both scoring 20.2 on the Zip up challenge on Inferno 2. Darrell has shown to struggle on puzzles as shown in his exiles and Abram has shown to struggle with mental focus as shown on his DQs on Battle of the Sexes 2. I give Darrell the slight edge because he is better in Endurance considering Abram gassed out and Darrell excelled in his Exile and finals Grope to Rope and Bird Feeder was CT's very first and second missions. That's a weak argument. Darrell has no business being ranked over competitors such as Brad and Jamie. He has two underwhelming challenge performances in the Gauntlet and the Inferno 2 and showed no real strengths expect for physical strength and stamina. Brad and Jamie were more complete competitors and have better individual mission performances.
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 14:46:55 GMT -5
Dave performed on par with Theo Von and Adam L and was a team leader along with the 2 of them on the Gauntlet. He showed good physical abilities by winning a Life Shield in Sink your Ship and showed good leadership. Dave was NOT on par with Adam and Theo on the Gauntlet! Dave performed well at the beginning of the challenge, but then fell towards the middle and end of it. And Dave showed NO leadership on the Gauntlet! He was actually quiet and wasn't featured saying much throughout the challenge. Which is surprising because he was "the man" on Road Rules South Pacific. Everything you pretty much said about Dave is false. Dave was definitely a leader on that team and was grouped with Adam and Theo throughout the challenge, he did perform a little worse than them but they were always grouped together
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 14:49:42 GMT -5
Yeah Eric Nies is better than Johnny but not Wes he had a major downgrade on FM2, Exes, and Seasons2 which is about equal to Johnny's poor performances on The Duel and Gauntlet 3. Both have inflated elimination records, Wes's only good win was pole wrestle against Derrick and Johnny's only good win was against Dunbar. What gives Johnny the slight edge IMO is his success and consistency in finals. He has performed almost flawlessly in every final he has been in. Wes has better individual mission stats than Johnny and better elimination round wins. Wes victory against Chet and Brandon were quality wins for the simple fact that he could of lost both elimination rounds. Johnny winning in the final missions on Rivals and Exes were only due to Wes going down with an injury and CT gassing out due to not pacing himself. It's not like Johnny was the better competitor in those final missions so that's not a strong case on your part. Johnny as an individual competitor (not when paired up with someone) is NOT better than Wes! Plain and simple! Wes would beat Johnny in most elimination rounds. The only reason Wes has better individual stats than Johnny is because Wes' best performances were individual, it's not Johnny's fault the peak of his challenge career is during a time when BMP is insistent on pair challenges. Also his performance in the Ruins and Inferno 3 finals was nearly flawless so saying he only seems good because of Wes and CT underperforming is irrelevant
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 14:52:07 GMT -5
My logic for Darrell being so high is based off the assumption that Abram is a top 5-10 competitor(which seems to be a pretty unanimous opinion)Darrell had one poor performance- Infeno 2, one average performance - The Gauntlet and Three Outstanding performances - The Ruins, Fresh Meat and the Inferno 1, I don't count Fresh Meat 2 because he was eliminated in the first episode because Cara Maria freaked out and choked. Abram has had two poor performances- the Gauntlet and Battle of the Sexes 2, two average performances - Exes and The Inferno, and three outstanding performances- Inferno 2, Inferno 3, and Cutthroat. I don't count the Island for Abe since he left so early and threw one of the two faceoffs he was there for. So the two of them are pretty even in terms of consistency. Darrell outperformed CT in both Grope the Rope and Bird Feeder missions on the Inferno 1. Abram has NEVER outperformed CT in a mission on the 3 challenges they've been on together. They showed they are on par together by both scoring 20.2 on the Zip up challenge on Inferno 2. Darrell has shown to struggle on puzzles as shown in his exiles and Abram has shown to struggle with mental focus as shown on his DQs on Battle of the Sexes 2. I give Darrell the slight edge because he is better in Endurance considering Abram gassed out and Darrell excelled in his Exile and finals Grope to Rope and Bird Feeder was CT's very first and second missions. That's a weak argument. Darrell has no business being ranked over competitors such as Brad and Jamie. He has two underwhelming challenge performances in the Gauntlet and the Inferno 2 and showed no real strengths expect for physical strength and stamina. Brad and Jamie were more complete competitors and have better individual mission performances. Brad and Jamie aren't better they just have different strengths. Darrell would destroy both of them in any physical mission or elimination (He kind of showed this by wrecking Brad in there fight) Brad and Jamie excel at puzzle and skill which is not Darrell's strength but he is still an overall better competitor than both of them
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 15:57:04 GMT -5
Dave was definitely a leader on that team and was grouped with Adam and Theo throughout the challenge, he did perform a little worse than them but they were always grouped together No he wasn't. Site where Dave displayed leadership along with Adam and Theo on that challenge. Adam was captain and Theo was co captain, those were the two who led the team in missions generally and were the most vocal.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 15:59:55 GMT -5
The only reason Wes has better individual stats than Johnny is because Wes' best performances were individual, it's not Johnny's fault the peak of his challenge career is during a time when BMP is insistent on pair challenges. Also his performance in the Ruins and Inferno 3 finals was nearly flawless so saying he only seems good because of Wes and CT underperforming is irrelevant Johnny doesn't have a "peak", he was quite good on the Inferno 3. Johnny has just been very lucky with his final mission wins on Rivals and Exes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 16:03:49 GMT -5
Brad and Jamie aren't better they just have different strengths. Darrell would destroy both of them in any physical mission or elimination (He kind of showed this by wrecking Brad in there fight) Brad and Jamie excel at puzzle and skill which is not Darrell's strength but he is still an overall better competitor than both of them You're way wrong! Darrell is only physically stronger than them! Jamie and Brad are easily more rounded competitors. Jamie showed to be highly skilled and good at multiple different things on the Extreme Challenge and finished 3rd overall on Battle of the Sexes. Brad also showed to be very rounded on Battle of the Sexes 2, where he should of finished 4th overall, and on the Duel. Darrell is a on the ground physical competitor who displayed no skill on any of his challenges. Brad and Jamie also didn't displayed poor mission performance such as Darrell's Gauntlet and Inferno 2 performances.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 18:50:37 GMT -5
Good a** arguments right here. But I agree with superboy.
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Post by Darebear55 on Jun 2, 2013 19:39:27 GMT -5
Johnny doesn't have a "peak", he was quite good on the Inferno 3. Johnny has just been very lucky with his final mission wins on Rivals and Exes. I have to agree with Superboy on this one. In Rivals and Exes, for majority of the finals, Johnny and his partner were in second and only caught up and passed the first place team right near the end because one person on the first place team gassed out (Wes and CT). I don't have time to sit here and rank the challengers but I think there are a lot of people who are stronger than Johnny. I would be interested in seeing how Johnny would do up against people like Theo and Adam L. during their challenge days.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 19:51:31 GMT -5
I have to agree with Superboy on this one. In Rivals and Exes, for majority of the finals, Johnny and his partner were in second and only caught up and passed the first place team right near the end because one person on the first place team gassed out (Wes and CT). I don't have time to sit here and rank the challengers but I think there are a lot of people who are stronger than Johnny. I would be interested in seeing how Johnny would do up against people like Theo and Adam L. during their challenge days. I've been telling these guys and others (else where) for the longest now that Johnny is overrated! He is not nearly one of the best athletes and overall competitors in the history of the challenge. He is a bit above average competitor, who is a decent athlete with some skill and smarts but hasn't displayed impressive ability on any of the challenges he's been on.
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Post by KOB on Jun 2, 2013 20:46:58 GMT -5
and I don't why people be saying he is the best?
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 20:52:42 GMT -5
Dave was definitely a leader on that team and was grouped with Adam and Theo throughout the challenge, he did perform a little worse than them but they were always grouped together No he wasn't. Site where Dave displayed leadership along with Adam and Theo on that challenge. Adam was captain and Theo was co captain, those were the two who led the team in missions generally and were the most vocal. In the beginning of episode 11 of the gauntlet Adam clearly says "Theo and I and Dave have naturally risen to the top" the three of them decide on that walk to vote off the girls. Dave was not vocal but still a leader nonetheless
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 21:03:48 GMT -5
Brad and Jamie aren't better they just have different strengths. Darrell would destroy both of them in any physical mission or elimination (He kind of showed this by wrecking Brad in there fight) Brad and Jamie excel at puzzle and skill which is not Darrell's strength but he is still an overall better competitor than both of them You're way wrong! Darrell is only physically stronger than them! Jamie and Brad are easily more rounded competitors. Jamie showed to be highly skilled and good at multiple different things on the Extreme Challenge and finished 3rd overall on Battle of the Sexes. Brad also showed to be very rounded on Battle of the Sexes 2, where he should of finished 4th overall, and on the Duel. Darrell is a on the ground physical competitor who displayed no skill on any of his challenges. Brad and Jamie also didn't displayed poor mission performance such as Darrell's Gauntlet and Inferno 2 performances. Brad's Battle of the Sexes 2 performance was very good but he never performed that well again on any of the other challenges in his career. Brad has very poor leadership abilities as shown on Cutthroat when most of his team hated him and on the Ruins when he didn't get rid of Casey when he had the chance. Brad is not as strong as Darrell and can't jump as high or run as fast. I've shown how Abram and Darrell are similar competitors so if Brad can't beat Abe he probably can't beat Darrell. Brad has never displayed that great skill, he's a top 10-15 competitor and that's about it As for Jamie i never saw the extreme challenge so i can't comment on that but of The Gauntlet 2 he was good but nothing special and on Battle of the Sexes he performed well but only came in third because of the point system with partners(I think I'll have to look that up)
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Post by jsmith33317 on Jun 2, 2013 21:07:10 GMT -5
Johnny doesn't have a "peak", he was quite good on the Inferno 3. Johnny has just been very lucky with his final mission wins on Rivals and Exes. He was definitely at his best for Rivals and Exes, the point is he didn't cramp up or gas out and that's what makes final eliminations so hard. He didn't get lucky that CT gassed out and Wes cramped up he was physically better suited and more prepared for the final
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2013 21:12:01 GMT -5
In the beginning of episode 11 of the gauntlet Adam clearly says "Theo and I and Dave have naturally risen to the top" the three of them decide on that walk to vote off the girls. Dave was not vocal but still a leader nonetheless I knew you would site that! And that's a weak defense! Dave was not a leader! A leader is a competitor who gives orders and strategies in missions and is established as the leader, which Adam was on the Gauntlet for Road Rules.
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