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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 13, 2016 20:56:33 GMT -5
First I want to say 2 things. Congrats, you guys made it here. survivor is a tough game to get through. Secondly, everyone stop quoting the Natalie white statement that's supposed to be mine line.
here is my question/statement to the both you: I think overall it was a below average season. it wasn't bad since stuff happened but if you had told me who would win the comp that week, after I left, I think I would have predicted who would have gone home. Lets be honest neither of you played an all-around game which makes our decision hard. How would you rate this season on a scale of 1-10 and 10 being the highest? If you had to guess which 4 jurors would you say would be a "fan favorite" if this was an actual season of survivor? please explain
Lan your game was outplay in challenges and I can respect that. Anyone can "throw" comps but not everyone can go on a comp streak. I don't think you played a good social game, I think you played an average one. this cast had a lot of strong personalities and its easy for people to like you more than don, mel and setsu because you either love them or you hate them. Plus you knew no one trusted Anthony and Javi was a bigger threat so its not hard to convince people to take them out before you even you said you didn't do that well socially on pre-merge miri and it was easy to because we never lost that much. You say you're a control freak and knew you weren't in a majority alliance then why didn't you look for cracks? you say you knew Jonas was running the miri tribe, which was true. By deduction you would know the miri dynamic was don, alad, me-Jonas- javi, max, you and I never got the impression you tried to pull in either don or alad and I know I didn't get that impression from you. Correct me if I'm wrong but your whole game was resided to being controlled by idols, comps, and Jonas. this put you at the bottom in most cases unless you pulled in Jonas but you said you didn't have that great of a relationship with him. My question for you is why did you never try to put yourself in the best position possible? why were you content with taking the hardest road to get to the end? why did you only pull in Anthony for the Jonas vote when you knew that even if everything went right you'd still be in a minority?
I have a lot to say to you alad so please bare with me on this. I want to start with a name change because I'm going to call you Naladtalie. You played exactly like 2 of the most polarizing natalies. One was perceived as girl who was nice to everyone and made non moves to get there. The other natalie was seen as a puppet and due to her niceness and her loyalty made it to the end because she was the moss that grew on the strongest tree. which one do you think you were? Max voiced a lot of my same opinions in that I would have taken you to the end because I think I could out talk you in the end and this ftc is proving it to me. Your biggest move this game, voting me out, was based off of a false judgement. You say I wasn't loyal but it wasn't true. Javi admitted that both setsu and Jonas told him that lan was the target and it wasn't me. You say you played a loyal game but that's literally impossible because you were in a majority alliance. the only way you can say you played a loyal game is if you blame don for everything but you say you were the brains behind cutting 3 allies in 5 tribals. so please explain how that works to me. in your opinion who was the reason why I was voted out? i've heard at least 4 (5 if you say you were the reason) different people say they were the reason I was voted out so i'd like for you to shed some light on that. on a scale of 1-100 who was the biggest influence on your game other people or yourself? a lot of people think you did nothing and I'm one of them. you listing all of these examples on how you got advise from people and had to ask them on how things work make me believe that they helped your game more than you did. I'm not surprised Jonas is fighting hard for you because a vote for you is a vote for Jonas' game. if Jonas didn't set you up and such a great spot with don holding your hand and mel being loyal for the next couple of votes due to Jonas' impact do you think you'd be here?
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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 13, 2016 21:03:50 GMT -5
since i've been given the go ahead to talk about this i need to ask. Naladtalie, did you tell jonas i was the traitor or did he assume i was and convinced you and don to turn on me? do you deny talking to jonas at all about this game well after he was voted off? do you think its cheating to do so or for lack of a better word unsportsman to talk to jurors after they have been voted off even tho multiple people have done it and its impossible to police?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 23:35:26 GMT -5
First I want to say 2 things. Congrats, you guys made it here. survivor is a tough game to get through. Secondly, everyone stop quoting the Natalie white statement that's supposed to be mine line. here is my question/statement to the both you: I think overall it was a below average season. it wasn't bad since stuff happened but if you had told me who would win the comp that week, after I left, I think I would have predicted who would have gone home. Lets be honest neither of you played an all-around game which makes our decision hard. How would you rate this season on a scale of 1-10 and 10 being the highest? If you had to guess which 4 jurors would you say would be a "fan favorite" if this was an actual season of survivor? please explain I have a lot to say to you alad so please bare with me on this. I want to start with a name change because I'm going to call you Naladtalie. You played exactly like 2 of the most polarizing natalies. One was perceived as girl who was nice to everyone and made non moves to get there. The other natalie was seen as a puppet and due to her niceness and her loyalty made it to the end because she was the moss that grew on the strongest tree. which one do you think you were? Max voiced a lot of my same opinions in that I would have taken you to the end because I think I could out talk you in the end and this ftc is proving it to me. Your biggest move this game, voting me out, was based off of a false judgement. You say I wasn't loyal but it wasn't true. Javi admitted that both setsu and Jonas told him that lan was the target and it wasn't me. You say you played a loyal game but that's literally impossible because you were in a majority alliance. the only way you can say you played a loyal game is if you blame don for everything but you say you were the brains behind cutting 3 allies in 5 tribals. so please explain how that works to me. in your opinion who was the reason why I was voted out? i've heard at least 4 (5 if you say you were the reason) different people say they were the reason I was voted out so i'd like for you to shed some light on that. on a scale of 1-100 who was the biggest influence on your game other people or yourself? a lot of people think you did nothing and I'm one of them. you listing all of these examples on how you got advise from people and had to ask them on how things work make me believe that they helped your game more than you did. I'm not surprised Jonas is fighting hard for you because a vote for you is a vote for Jonas' game. if Jonas didn't set you up and such a great spot with don holding your hand and mel being loyal for the next couple of votes due to Jonas' impact do you think you'd be here? since i've been given the go ahead to talk about this i need to ask. Naladtalie, did you tell jonas i was the traitor or did he assume i was and convinced you and don to turn on me? do you deny talking to jonas at all about this game well after he was voted off? do you think its cheating to do so or for lack of a better word unsportsman to talk to jurors after they have been voted off even tho multiple people have done it and its impossible to police? oh hey bff  i'd rate this season a good 8.5/10 because there wasnt enough of me in it early on. the 4 fan favorites would be me, mel, jonas, and don/setsu because we were the most vocal and no one else really spoke publicly that i can remember. im neither one of those natalies because neither one of those natalies match up with me at all except for me being nice to everyone. i'd like to apologize for what went down with us bro. the only reason i called u a rat is because i was suspicious of what went down with the idol play and i just played it up because i knew don would go over the top with it (like he did) and i thought the whole thing would get me votes. Just like i told Mel, i did play a 100% loyal game but in the end there are only 2 seats left, so a couple people are going to have to get the boot. I'm sorry if you just happen to be one of those people. I was only in a majority alliance after i reached out to mel and setsu. there was a point in the game when don and i were on our and we had to act fast because jonas was gone and we didnt fully trust you because we thought you had a hand in jonas being eliminated. me and don both were the reason you were voted out. if i had never told don to hit up mel and setsu, we wouldve never been able to gain majority vote and vote you out. a lot of people had small impacts on my game. having not watched the show i did not know what were certain things were like, the rocks, ponderosa, an idol, etc. so yeah i had to ask questions because how else was i going to find out about sh*t? i aint play jonas's game fam. jonas played an entirely different game than i did, he was vocal and he had connections to more people than i did. me and don were homies before so what are you even talking about? we all came together, jonas didnt bring don to me on a silver platter. and it was the exact opposite with mel, jonas betrayed mel and mel was skeptical about working with me and don. i had to earn her trust. jonas told us nothing about you being a traitor. this was only discussed between me and don. and yeah i deny it all. except for the lit chatzys, me and jonas never "cheated" and yeah its cheating to talk game with jurors after theyve been eliminated anyone who does it should be banned from earth. |
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Post by Lan on Feb 14, 2016 7:31:37 GMT -5
Lan out of respect how come you never approached me before trying to tie the vote? Im not saying this is a big issue im just curious... Alad and Lan this question is for both of you - What do you guys think I will look for when voting for a winner? Lan this is also for you - You claim that had you not won the final immunities you would still be here when that might not actually be the case. Im not trying to discredit you but what makes you believe that you would still be here despite immunity wins or not. Well, I told Setsu the vote before that I was voting for Mel before the vote, and the only thing that really seemed to accomplish was getting yelled at at tribal. I'm not saying that would have been your reaction because outside of the Jonas thing you've always been cool with me, but I don't feel like I had anything to gain from it. But looking back on it, a head's up might have been the better thing to do, to show my respect. Honestly, I think you're probably voting for Alad. At the end of the day, people generally vote for whoever they're closest to, and you two were a tight pair for a long time. If that's not the case though, I think you're probably looking for whoever had the best strategic game, since that was the part of the game you excelled at. Well, I think we can agree that at F5 I was the swing vote, so I was completely safe there. With the F4 and F3 I'm not as certain, I'm basing it on what other people told me in the game at the time. It's entirely possible you would have taken Alad had you won the F3 immunity. |
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Post by Lan on Feb 14, 2016 8:15:03 GMT -5
here is my question/statement to the both you: I think overall it was a below average season. it wasn't bad since stuff happened but if you had told me who would win the comp that week, after I left, I think I would have predicted who would have gone home. Lets be honest neither of you played an all-around game which makes our decision hard. How would you rate this season on a scale of 1-10 and 10 being the highest? If you had to guess which 4 jurors would you say would be a "fan favorite" if this was an actual season of survivor? please explain Lan your game was outplay in challenges and I can respect that. Anyone can "throw" comps but not everyone can go on a comp streak. I don't think you played a good social game, I think you played an average one. this cast had a lot of strong personalities and its easy for people to like you more than don, mel and setsu because you either love them or you hate them. Plus you knew no one trusted Anthony and Javi was a bigger threat so its not hard to convince people to take them out before you even you said you didn't do that well socially on pre-merge miri and it was easy to because we never lost that much. You say you're a control freak and knew you weren't in a majority alliance then why didn't you look for cracks? you say you knew Jonas was running the miri tribe, which was true. By deduction you would know the miri dynamic was don, alad, me-Jonas- javi, max, you and I never got the impression you tried to pull in either don or alad and I know I didn't get that impression from you. Correct me if I'm wrong but your whole game was resided to being controlled by idols, comps, and Jonas. this put you at the bottom in most cases unless you pulled in Jonas but you said you didn't have that great of a relationship with him. My question for you is why did you never try to put yourself in the best position possible? why were you content with taking the hardest road to get to the end? why did you only pull in Anthony for the Jonas vote when you knew that even if everything went right you'd still be in a minority? I'd say probably a 7. I think the boot order was sort of fun and the dynamics shifted around a lot, but they tended to shift around only briefly rather than throwing the entire game upside-down. Fan favorites: Javi, Mel, Alad and myself. This is based on what usually wins fan favorites in the past. Generally, the fan favorite's won by friendly, non-controversial people underdogs who excel in challenges (Cagayan Spencer/J.T/Bob) because casuals eat that up even if they don't show that much personality, so I think that fits Javi and I. Mel for being from the minority tribe, winning stuff/playing idols and being a big personality. Setsu applies here as well, but I think he's more of a Survivorsucks favorite like an Abi/Sandra. And Alad because he fits his avatar Keith. He's clowned around the most at tribal council, he's probably the biggest source of comic relief. As mentioned (and Jonas keeps bringing it up to this day), people saw me as close to Jackson, who overplayed himself out of the game. I knew that I wasn't in control, but there's a difference between not being in control and being at the bottom. Jim left before me, I think partly because I was the better challenge competitor, but also because I showed the people in power that I'm loyal to them, use me for whatever needs to happen. I think would I have approached people to set up alliances, I would have probably made myself a target rather than establishing a strong grip on Miri, because people could have easily seen me as the ghost of Jackson's past. So yeah, I made the concious decision to lay low on pre-merge Miri, but I did purposely make sure I was seen as an asset to those in power. About the Jonas vote, that's not entirely accurate. I felt like you, Don, Alad and Jonas were tight, so it didn't make sense to try and flip any of you, but it was every Kalang that we tried to pull in, not just Anthony. Anthony just happened to be the only one that decided to vote with us. Obviously I would have preferred Mel and Setsu going with us at that vote since that saves my idol for another time and I end up in a majority alliance, but they weren't flipping at that point. I should probably mention Greg too but w/e he doesn't count. After the merge, I think you're right that I did purposely make it harder for myself to get to the end, but that was because I think the way things were going would not lead to me winning, if I did make it to the end in the first place. In actual survivor, there are always people who frustrate everyone because they're just okay with going with whatever gets them by another vote, which leads to dull seasons with winners who are in control from start to finish. I didn't want to enable another Redemption Island/One World. After the Jonas move I've always tried to navigate myself into the best position possible, and I was in the majority vote after that with the exception of the F4 (tie) and F7. At F7 we actually did try to pull in Setsu and Mel, but it's a hard sell to go to a majority of 5 over a majority of 4, especially when the people in the 5 are challenge/ all round threats or include Anthony, who Mel and Setsu weren't trusting. |
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Post by bones0227 on Feb 14, 2016 14:40:25 GMT -5
So we're finally at FTC  I've been quite busy, sorry that my final tribal speech is going to be so anti climactic: Alad: why should I vote for you after you personally insulted me and my game throughout this season? Totally unnecessary and I don't know if I could reward that behavior. Lan: You seem like a nice guy, but I didn't really get to connect with you this game. Tell me an interesting fact about yourself. |
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Post by Lan on Feb 14, 2016 17:45:07 GMT -5
That's surprisingly a tough question because I want something fun and impressive without coming off as a braggart, lol. My go-to story is that I've once been covered in hippo feces while sitting in a car. Not by choice, I should add. Something else (one that I'm actually proud of) is that there's a show (originally from Belgium, it's known in the US and Australia as The Mole) that I've organised fairly elaborate amateur editions of, and one of my challenges ended up being used in the actual program on TV. Less interesting things about me: I'm 25, I'm studying Public Administration, and I'm a bartender. If you've got any other questions about me as a person I'd be happy to answer 'em.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 18:01:13 GMT -5
So we're finally at FTC I've been quite busy, sorry that my final tribal speech is going to be so anti climactic: Alad: why should I vote for you after you personally insulted me and my game throughout this season? Totally unnecessary and I don't know if I could reward that behavior. Lan: You seem like a nice guy, but I didn't really get to connect with you this game. Tell me an interesting fact about yourself. I admit that called you a f*ckboi was totally unnecessary and I apologize for it. but I never insulted your game, I actually complicated you on your game. there was a point in which I wanted to work with you but it went wrong when Mel played her idol. ur no f*ckboi |
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Post by Donald on Feb 14, 2016 18:01:51 GMT -5
I have a few more questions then ill be glad to stfu and take a seat.
Lan you never answered one of my core questions, is it true that Daquan was in cahoots with Javi/Max/You during the Jonas idol blindside shabazz?
and Finally, when it came down to final 5 you basically were deciding which pair you wanted to go to final 3 with.. Considering that at one point Me, Mel, Alad, and Setsu were a group of 4 how did you determine which pair you wanted to choose?
Did it ever run thru your head that "hey maybe the 4 people could just link back up and vote me out?"
I udnerstand that you said that Mel was viewed as a jury threat but it honestly didnt seem like you two were onboard with voting her out until I brought it to yall's attention.. Had she approached you first do you think your decision would have been the same?
and finally.. Mel doesnt understand how she was perceived as a threat. As a player of this game can you tell me, Mel, and the rest of the jury some of Melanies key moves that led to her having to be voted out.
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Post by Lan on Feb 14, 2016 19:24:46 GMT -5
Oh, I must have missed that question. Daquan was not in cahoots with us during the Jonas-idol thing. That's why the vote after that I was surprised you guys wanted him out, since I didn't really see what caused you guys to suddenly target him.
If you look back at our messages, I wasn't at all hesitant to go on board. I said it was a very risky idea, but in that same sentence I said I was down for it. Had the situation been reversed I'm not sure what I would have done. I felt more threatened by Mel so it would have been less appealing, but if I had run and told you and Alad you guys might have told on me to Mel and I'd be a target, and remember, we hadn't really messaged a lot up till that point so trusting me about Mel targetting you might have sounded a lot like BS to you.
At F5 you could guys could have linked up back together, but that was after you and Alad had already tried to vote Mel out, so linking back together didn't seem like a natural move, and it didn't make much strategic sense either. So although it was an option, I didn't consider it likely.
So, about why I went with you and Alad over Setsu and Mel. Part of it was that I thought you guys were weaker in challenges, since Mel was either first or second in nearly every challenge and Setsu had also won an immunity. I also considered Mel a jury threat, although I'm a little worried about stating that again since she might just come up and strangle me.
Why I considered her a threat: She came from the minority tribe, although she did singlehandedly win a challenge over a full tribe of Miri. She was the strongest individual challenge competitor in the game. Strategically, she managed to secure a position in a majority alliance even with her status as a threat among the Miri, and I don't think she stabbed anyone in the back as far as I know. In terms of social game, she talked with and had at least decent ties with pretty much everyone. She managed to find two idols. I'm not sure up until the F6 she really made specific moves that I would consider key for her threat status, but I feel she was a threat coming into the merge and surviving with a target on your back without getting votes is impressive to me.
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Post by Donald on Feb 14, 2016 20:17:07 GMT -5
Thank you ive heard enough. Goodluck guys
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Post by M on Feb 15, 2016 1:51:06 GMT -5
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Post by M on Feb 15, 2016 1:55:37 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of this question was - how does my game have anything to to with this FTC.  |
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Post by Donald on Feb 15, 2016 2:18:42 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of this question was - how does my game have anything to to with this FTC. Actually it shows if he was paying attention and as social as he says. Everything isn't black and white boo |
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Post by M on Feb 15, 2016 2:44:31 GMT -5
Not sure what the point of this question was - how does my game have anything to to with this FTC. Actually it shows if he was paying attention and as social as he says. Everything isn't black and white boo And you could have picked any player to use as an example - or all of us. But you chose me. |
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Post by Donald on Feb 15, 2016 2:56:23 GMT -5
Actually it shows if he was paying attention and as social as he says. Everything isn't black and white boo And you could have picked any player to use as an example - or all of us. But you chose me. Are we gonna cry? |
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Post by M on Feb 15, 2016 3:00:29 GMT -5
And you could have picked any player to use as an example - or all of us. But you chose me. Are we gonna cry? Lol idk are you? I know I have moved on ... You seem to want to continue this on forever..... |
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 15, 2016 3:06:56 GMT -5
Lol idk are you? I know I have moved on ... You seem to want to continue this on forever..... Have you? It doesn't seem like it |
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Post by Nate on Feb 15, 2016 13:31:05 GMT -5
Why are y'all still talking...petty mofos
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Post by M on Feb 15, 2016 13:36:40 GMT -5
Cause we are waiting for the results.....
And the after party!
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