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Post by Lan on Feb 13, 2016 6:46:42 GMT -5
Okay so I have no issues here with either of you. For me I want to make this very clear, my vote is pretty much deicided but I am going to give you both one last chance to send my vote your way? Lan: Thanks buddy for all you did. We kinda had this, alliance of convinance, even if it started awhile back so I have two questions for you, one when did our alliance become 'real' to you, and if you won the final 3 immunity who would you take and why, me or alad? No problem, we really did have this sudden alliance at the end, so I hope you would have had my back too at that F4 if I hadn't won. I actually wanted to work with you and Mel for a long time, but the opportunity didn't really come up until very late in the game. At the Mel vote I told you beforehand I was going with Alad and Don because I wanted to show you my honesty, and because with a looming F2 I was planning on splitting up the pairs and I needed you for that. But at that point, it was very much just because I needed your vote. At the F4 we had some talks back and forth, and I noticed that you're actually a very pleasant alliance partner, and so I offered you a F2 deal. That was when our alliance became genuine in my eyes. Alad told me that you had promised him F2 as well in the game, and in response I said: If he's giving out F2's to different people, why should I honor mine? I think there's two factors that would make my decision between you and Alad. One would be the loyalty piece, I would try to get to the bottom of what was promised between you guys, and if you were genuine with taking me to the F2 aswell, I would have taken you. The second part is who do I think I stand the best chance of beating at the end. I think you played a stronger game, although Alad has people campaigning for him. So to keep my answer simple: If you were genuine with me, I would have taken you with me. If I found out I wast just another option, I would have taken Alad. |
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Post by Lan on Feb 13, 2016 7:07:16 GMT -5
If I have to ask a question it is for Lan, is anything I said inaccurate? Do you wanna despite any of my claims? Yes, I resent a ton of what you're saying. First of all, I don't think I should have to apologise for finding an idol or winning challenges. Sure, part of it is luck, but with the exception of the F6-7 challenge I was ahead of Don, Setsu and Alad at every challenge. Positioning yourself in a good spot to win challenges, and putting in effort and dedication is being a smart player. Further more, my streak at the end wasn't a Fabio-esque streak where I needed to win challenges, it simply made it easier for plans to be executed. If I don't win that F5 challenge, Alad's just as screwed as I am, since that opens the door for Mel to get to the end and kill whoever's up against her. So Alad benefitted from my immunities just as much as I did, it's just that he didn't have the ability to execute. And you want to talk about an alternative universe where I don't have the idol and I go home, but as I already said, it's unfair to assume that I would play the same way if I didn't have the idol. Having protection means you can take more risks in order for moves to happen that you want to make happen. Also, my last apparent 'sheep herder' left at F7, and I still managed to make it to the end. That's twice as many votes as our entire Miri pre-merge. I'll admit I was the last to know at the Jackson vote off, but that was because Jackson had painted me as an ally of his. At the other vote-off, I had already established enough of a relationship with Max to be in the know. You actually approached me after the vote to ask me how I knew about the vote, so you didn't know at what poing I was told. And as said, it was an intentional strategy to lay low that kept me safe throughout the pre-merge. Why should Alad's laying low (which is the main reason his name didn't come up, not some amazing social game) be applauded, whereas for me it's something to hold against me? |
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 13, 2016 7:17:50 GMT -5
If I have to ask a question it is for Lan, is anything I said inaccurate? Do you wanna despite any of my claims? Yes, I resent a ton of what you're saying. First of all, I don't think I should have to apologise for finding an idol or winning challenges. Sure, part of it is luck, but with the exception of the F6-7 challenge I was ahead of Don, Setsu and Alad at every challenge. Positioning yourself in a good spot to win challenges, and putting in effort and dedication is being a smart player. Further more, my streak at the end wasn't a Fabio-esque streak where I needed to win challenges, it simply made it easier for plans to be executed. If I don't win that F5 challenge, Alad's just as screwed as I am, since that opens the door for Mel to get to the end and kill whoever's up against her. So Alad benefitted from my immunities just as much as I did, it's just that he didn't have the ability to execute. And you want to talk about an alternative universe where I don't have the idol and I go home, but as I already said, it's unfair to assume that I would play the same way if I didn't have the idol. Having protection means you can take more risks in order for moves to happen that you want to make happen. Also, my last apparent 'sheep herder' left at F7, and I still managed to make it to the end. That's twice as many votes as our entire Miri pre-merge. I'll admit I was the last to know at the Jackson vote off, but that was because Jackson had painted me as an ally of his. At the other vote-off, I had already established enough of a relationship with Max to be in the know. You actually approached me after the vote to ask me how I knew about the vote, so you didn't know at what poing I was told. And as said, it was an intentional strategy to lay low that kept me safe throughout the pre-merge. Why should Alad's laying low (which is the main reason his name didn't come up, not some amazing social game) be applauded, whereas for me it's something to hold against me? I actually do remember that conversation after Jim left believe it or not and I knew max told you before I asked you but that's kinda irrelevant. The reason its to be applauded for Alad and not for you because he simply did it better, his name never came up he never received a majority vote or even one vote for that matter. Your last "sheep hearder" left at the f7, presumably Javi. Other than the f6 vote you were immune and at that f6 vote you lost one of your closest allies. The difference between Alads laying low and yours is the difference between a viper using camouflage and a mouse hiding in grass. You from day 1 you were in the majority only at the f5 tribal and if you really want to break that down you were the odd man out with 2 different pairs. Alad on the other hand was in a majority alliance from day 1, he moved through this game always in power while you escaped based on idols(f10) resentment towards others (f8-f6) or immunity wins (f5-f3). |
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Post by Lan on Feb 13, 2016 7:22:05 GMT -5
Now Lan, honestly, along with Alad, I planned to take you to the FTC. It's funny that the 2 people I wanted to come to the end with got there but I didn't. Now man, I thought your game was good, especially how you moved from a position in a minority alliance to a position in the end game. My question for you is, what was the move you made in the game which cemented your spot in the FTC? Good luck guys! Thanks man!
That's a tough question. I think with Survivor being a fickle game with so many variables, you can never know for sure, especially with a F2 where you either need to win a challenge or be considered beatable enough by the person that does. However, I really felt like I had a good chance at the F6 vote. I was hesitant to work with Don and Alad, but because Anthony was the alternative option, I felt like I could make that move. If Anthony gets out, I'm set to make F3 (and I thought it would be a F3 at that point) because both pairs want a swing vote, and if Anthony stays, I think I could have worked with Anthony and Setsu going forward. So for me, I had nothing to lose at that point. Either the idols are flushed, or the biggest threat leaves the game and takes those idols with her, and either way, I've got a great shot at making F3.
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Post by Lan on Feb 13, 2016 8:01:37 GMT -5
For Both Alad and Lan: Only two people knew I had the merge idols - and tbh I only found the second one right before I needed it. NO one else knew I had them and tbh if I knew someone was guaranteed to play an idol to save himself I wouldn't be voting for them. Lan: Honestly - you didn't promise me anything - we talked - but I talked to everyone in this game. Still you didn't really do much to earn my vote. Don told me about the two idols. Maybe he made it up and he was right by accident, but that was how I was told. For me, the reason to vote for you was that if everyone went along with voting out Anthony, you'd play your idols at F5 and you'd be in the F4 completely safe, and if you had won immunity at F5 you could have even used your idols to protect Setsu. With your track record and your jury status and my thought that it might still be a F3, that would leave you just one challenge short of a win, which was just too big of a risk for me. Why you should vote for me? I feel like I've played the better game between Alad and I. The way you've played the game was going all out and giving it your all, trying to be as honest as possible. I feel like I played a more honest game, and I've committed myself 100% to every aspect of the game, whether it be planning moves ahead of time, building bridges where I need them, doing everything I can in challenges, and sending in PMs to which the answer is "You do not find the idol" every single time. I've played a smart game that suited this season's trainwrecky/shifting style, and I hope you feel the same way. I've wanted to work with you and Setsu early on in the merge, but a real opportunity to do that outside of the Daquan vote never came up. After you and Setsu were split up, I did manage to get into a solid alliance with Setsu, but I hope there's an opportunity to allign in another game. Whatever you decide, I respect your decision. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 9:24:16 GMT -5
That's enough from you Jonas, you may take your seat now
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 13, 2016 10:16:49 GMT -5
That's enough from you Jonas, you may take your seat now Jw how exactly am I out of line? I get 3 replies I used 1 and I was responding to when he asked how it was different. |
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Post by iraheto on Feb 13, 2016 11:30:12 GMT -5
Hey you two. Its been a long game so lets get this over with.
I wanna address the jury first and say that you guys were all beasts in this game and if we ever play again I will take you out as soon as possible would love to work with you.
Lan, congratulations. You got to the end without being a complete d*ck to anyone. I also enjoyed talking to you the most out of anyone in this game since you seemed chill and down to Earth. During the tribal where Jonas left it was actually your idea to play the idols. I was still uncertain at first but eventually we realized you were the target that round. My point is you definitely didn't need me to have saved yourself lol. After I left I was certain you would follow me but I think voting out the biggest threat, Mel and aligning with Setsu was a good move even though he left due to a tiebreaker. Competition wise you were impressive too. My question for you is besides myself, who were the people you talked to the most in this game?
Alad, I'm looking at our PM history and the only times we talked is when I would message you first. Other than that our interactions were when you called me, Lan & Anthony "fukboys" for playing the game. Even after Jonas left, Don was the one to at least put the effort in talking to me. I heard you've never seen Survivor before but I know for a fact you've played Big Brother and honestly its not much different. My question for you is why do you think Don was looked as a bigger threat than you?
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Post by Setsu-Maria Ghomes on Feb 13, 2016 11:56:30 GMT -5
Lan, Alad thank you for your answers. You have given me a lot to think about.
Alad you played a really solid game, I just wish you moved out into the spotlight at some time.
Lan, 100%, after Mel left at least, my loyalty to you was 100%, hence why I told you my conversatons with Alad.
So tonight I am decding between the person who was more or less in the majority almost the entire game and played good socially, or my ally who went balls to the wall at the end. Whatever I decide this is a hard descion for me good luck to both of you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 13:18:01 GMT -5
TBH Alad - you didn't ask me once. The only time idols came up was right before the tribal I used them. And that was Don. yes I did Mel, check the PMs. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 13:34:35 GMT -5
Hey you two. Its been a long game so lets get this over with. I wanna address the jury first and say that you guys were all beasts in this game and if we ever play again I will take you out as soon as possible would love to work with you. Lan, congratulations. You got to the end without being a complete d*ck to anyone. I also enjoyed talking to you the most out of anyone in this game since you seemed chill and down to Earth. During the tribal where Jonas left it was actually your idea to play the idols. I was still uncertain at first but eventually we realized you were the target that round. My point is you definitely didn't need me to have saved yourself lol. After I left I was certain you would follow me but I think voting out the biggest threat, Mel and aligning with Setsu was a good move even though he left due to a tiebreaker. Competition wise you were impressive too. My question for you is besides myself, who were the people you talked to the most in this game? Alad, I'm looking at our PM history and the only times we talked is when I would message you first. Other than that our interactions were when you called me, Lan & Anthony "fukboys" for playing the game. Even after Jonas left, Don was the one to at least put the effort in talking to me. I heard you've never seen Survivor before but I know for a fact you've played Big Brother and honestly its not much different. My question for you is why do you think Don was looked as a bigger threat than you? Don was looked at as a bigger threat because he was more friendlier to you guys before you were eliminated and because of his clutch challenge win that got rid of setsu. And yeah Don hit you up but it was my words that he was using. He'd ask me what to say on 85% of those replies. Yes I've learned that BB is similar to Survivor in some ways. I did not know how the winner of Survivor was determined until later in the game, you can ask Jonas and Don this. If I had known that a jury of eliminated people chose the winner of this game, I would've played the game differently and made more eye popping moves. I also apologize for playing the game personally at times. It wasn't fair to you guys. |
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 14:34:26 GMT -5
TBH right at this point your biggest advantage is that we have to vote for one of you. I've heard more sh*t from other people about your games than you guys. I am sick of everyone saying I was the biggest threat - without much substance - just because you say it out loud doesn't mean it is so. Telling me that does't impress me or make me want to write your name down TBH it just makes me want to push you in the mud and watch you both fight each other for it (but Stan and Nate won't let me!)  The idol plays are irrelevant - people need to get over them and realise that unless it was your move then you can't claim to be a giant mastermind and call it a game winner. The biggest thing about this game was the fact that everyone was telling everyone what was happening so I can't really say that there were any giant blindsides. Not going to go into any details because it isn't my job to talk up either of you and win votes for you, but you all need to stop taking credit for moves that really weren't yours. TBH no one could have "guessed" that I would have two idols - one maybe - but I know for a fact that someone told everyone I had both idols - and thanks for confirming exactly who it was. |
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Post by iraheto on Feb 13, 2016 14:54:40 GMT -5
b*tch, you already asked your questions.
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 15:03:42 GMT -5
b*tch, you already asked your questions. f*ck off - he said we were allowed to reply to comments made - I can change them to statements if it would make you feel more important. |
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Post by Lan on Feb 13, 2016 19:56:00 GMT -5
Lan, congratulations. You got to the end without being a complete d*ck to anyone. I also enjoyed talking to you the most out of anyone in this game since you seemed chill and down to Earth. During the tribal where Jonas left it was actually your idea to play the idols. I was still uncertain at first but eventually we realized you were the target that round. My point is you definitely didn't need me to have saved yourself lol. After I left I was certain you would follow me but I think voting out the biggest threat, Mel and aligning with Setsu was a good move even though he left due to a tiebreaker. Competition wise you were impressive too. My question for you is besides myself, who were the people you talked to the most in this game? Hey man, thanks, the feeling's completely mutual, I really enjoyed all of the conversations we've had. I haven't counted the exact messages, but Max is pretty high up there, Don as well, and I think surprisingly Mel's got quite a good amount to, scattered in different conversations that popped up throughout the merge. I think if you mean talk as in actual strategy talk that went anywhere, it's Max and Don. I think Setsu would probably been up there had we allied sooner. |
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Post by Lan on Feb 13, 2016 20:10:33 GMT -5
You and Setsu brought up that point then, but I honestly didn't believe you guys really thought that was true. Seeing that you're still saying it now without anything to gain from it proves that you actually believe that, and that means we're not on the same page in terms of what this jury considers important. Maybe we can do a few 'what if such and such makes it to the end' at the reunion to see how the jury would have voted in a situation that wasn't Miri vs Miri. There was no Miri strong ever I think, I'd say Miri was close to something like a Tandang in Phillipines or a Galu from Samoa. A strong tribe, but internally completely dysfunctional/fractured and ready to implode come merge time, what is what ended up happening. If Miri strong was a thing, you, Setsu and Anthony would have never made it to the F6, with the only Kalang leaving before then being dragged out of the game for his inactivity. If you don't want to believe that voting you out was to my benefit that's fine, but we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I disagree with your last statement as well. When I gave someone my word or my promise, I was loyal to that as long as the other person's loyal to me. I never stabbed anyone in the back, and I tried to protect my allies whenever I could. But as you said in your first statement, there were never really promises exchanged between us. |
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Post by Donald on Feb 13, 2016 20:28:39 GMT -5
Lan out of respect how come you never approached me before trying to tie the vote? Im not saying this is a big issue im just curious...
Alad and Lan this question is for both of you -
What do you guys think I will look for when voting for a winner?
Alad this question is for you -
Given the current circumstances if it came down to me and Jonas who would you choose to go to f2 with you & why?
Lan this is also for you -
You claim that had you not won the final immunities you would still be here when that might not actually be the case. Im not trying to discredit you but what makes you believe that you would still be here despite immunity wins or not.
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 20:42:49 GMT -5
Stanley Nate can I have another piece of parchment - I kinda ruined my first one...  |
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Post by Nate on Feb 13, 2016 20:46:12 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 20:54:19 GMT -5
Lan out of respect how come you never approached me before trying to tie the vote? Im not saying this is a big issue im just curious... Alad and Lan this question is for both of you - What do you guys think I will look for when voting for a winner? Alad this question is for you - Given the current circumstances if it came down to me and Jonas who would you choose to go to f2 with you & why? Lan this is also for you - You claim that had you not won the final immunities you would still be here when that might not actually be the case. Im not trying to discredit you but what makes you believe that you would still be here despite immunity wins or not. i think you'll look for who deserves it more. Who in your eyes deserves to be called the winner of Survivor Malaysia. You'll look back on who had a tougher road getting to where we are now and look back on the moves we had to make. In the early stages of the game, I would've chosen Jonas because he helped me out so much and taught me basically everything about this game. Me and you hadn't really had that connection we had now. But now, me and you we brothers mane. I cant say "if jonas had gotten further in the game we would've been closer" so based on how close me and you got ever the course of the game and how much we helped each other out, we would've been in f2 together. |
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