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Post by Nate on Jun 12, 2014 18:04:52 GMT -5
Nate, I find it hilarious we had an "alliance" PM ever since uc8 but we still never fully trusted each other. We kept in arms reach and wanted each other out from the get. Anyway, I would like to wonder, since you were brought back, name me 3 things strategically you did besides winning comps. This relates to convincing people to vote a certain way or convincing someone to convince another to vote. When I came back, JC, Jamie and I continued to work on Alaina, Jimmy, Outlast and Stan as much as we could. We were finally able to get Alaina and Jimmy on our side (seemingly) and although they turned on us within a couple weeks, me and Jamie were able to keep the targets off of our backs for one week when Alaina became HoH by convincing her to go after Expert. Expert was put up on the block and we voted him out. The week that YoungMark went home, I messaged him telling him about how his alliance was not looking out for him anymore, because you guys were trying to make sure that I wouldn't put up Outlast if Stan used the veto to take Kenny off the block, but didn't even mention Mark. So I made a deal with him that if he made it past that week, I would look out for him and that would have been an ally for myself against the rest of you. However, he went home...just another thing that went wrong for me, but that would be an example of me working any angle possible to further myself in the game. I would say that my third move would be forming the final three alliance between me, you and Outlast. I know that this didn't last long, but I believe that Outlast actually meant what he said when he agreed to the alliance in order to get out Kenny. I don't think any of us actually was going to take it to the final three, but I actually was able to convince Outlast to flipping, for the time being at least, to get out Kenny. If I didn't, then oh well, that's not too surprising that another thing didn't go my way. In conclusion, I think I played a very strategic game because I had more decisions to make than anyone in the jury stage considering I won so many competitions. Winning competitions does not just mean you're safe and you don't have to do work. When I won, I thought long and hard about each one of my decisions in order to make it to the end or have a small chance at making some sort of deal or alliance the next week. I think some of you might be looking at me winning competitions as nothing, but it gave me the power to make strategic decisions. A power that I rarely got otherwise, considering I was never not a target. (Sorry it's so long again. I didn't expect it to be so long) |
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Post by Outlast on Jun 12, 2014 18:07:03 GMT -5
To each of you. I want you to pick a song for each member of the jury. No explanation needed, the song lyrics should do the talking. Obviously put the YouTube videos of the songs in your post. "Type Of Way" By Rich Homie Quan
Enchilada- "Bad" by Michael Jackson
Swaggy- "Swagga Like Us" By T.I., Kanye West, Jay Z, Lil Wayne, and M.I.A.
Ashley- "b*tches Love Me" By Lil Wayne, Drake, and Future
Alaina- I really have no idea, but you and Jimmy were always reported to be locked at the hip, and you were one of Kenny's main allies so.........
Maneater by Hall and Oates
Jamie- "Apologize" By One Republic and Timbaland Jimmy- "Don't Worry Be Happy" by Bobby McFerrin Stan- "My n****" By YG, Young Jeezy, and Rich Homie Quan |
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Post by Brooke on Jun 12, 2014 18:11:45 GMT -5
I want a theme song...
b*tches love theme songs.
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Post by Dewie890 on Jun 12, 2014 18:32:29 GMT -5
I was not expecting to make my decision based on my theme songs... but this is something to consider... since i think otherwise you guys are just talking about moves you tried to make but didnt.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 18:32:48 GMT -5
Nate, I find it hilarious we had an "alliance" PM ever since uc8 but we still never fully trusted each other. We kept in arms reach and wanted each other out from the get. Anyway, I would like to wonder, since you were brought back, name me 3 things strategically you did besides winning comps. This relates to convincing people to vote a certain way or convincing someone to convince another to vote. When I came back, JC, Jamie and I continued to work on Alaina, Jimmy, Outlast and Stan as much as we could. We were finally able to get Alaina and Jimmy on our side (seemingly) and although they turned on us within a couple weeks, me and Jamie were able to keep the targets off of our backs for one week when Alaina became HoH by convincing her to go after Expert. Expert was put up on the block and we voted him out. The week that YoungMark went home, I messaged him telling him about how his alliance was not looking out for him anymore, because you guys were trying to make sure that I wouldn't put up Outlast if Stan used the veto to take Kenny off the block, but didn't even mention Mark. So I made a deal with him that if he made it past that week, I would look out for him and that would have been an ally for myself against the rest of you. However, he went home...just another thing that went wrong for me, but that would be an example of me working any angle possible to further myself in the game. I would say that my third move would be forming the final three alliance between me, you and Outlast. I know that this didn't last long, but I believe that Outlast actually meant what he said when he agreed to the alliance in order to get out Kenny. I don't think any of us actually was going to take it to the final three, but I actually was able to convince Outlast to flipping, for the time being at least, to get out Kenny. If I didn't, then oh well, that's not too surprising that another thing didn't go my way. In conclusion, I think I played a very strategic game because I had more decisions to make than anyone in the jury stage considering I won so many competitions. Winning competitions does not just mean you're safe and you don't have to do work. When I won, I thought long and hard about each one of my decisions in order to make it to the end or have a small chance at making some sort of deal or alliance the next week. I think some of you might be looking at me winning competitions as nothing, but it gave me the power to make strategic decisions. A power that I rarely got otherwise, considering I was never not a target. (Sorry it's so long again. I didn't expect it to be so long) The final 3 alliance meant nothing to me personally, That first one really didn't have much strategy, it made me feel that Alaina was thinking on her own or with Jamie and I respect that. The second one was futile since your strategic move didn't cater to your favor sine ym was evicted The last one was simple bs because your strategic move was to get rid of kenny with outlast on your side. I knew that the entire time, yet the only way you got rid of him was by being the sole vote. To me, non of your strategies worked and your alliance didn't work too well either. No offense. |
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Post by Nate on Jun 12, 2014 19:17:21 GMT -5
When I came back, JC, Jamie and I continued to work on Alaina, Jimmy, Outlast and Stan as much as we could. We were finally able to get Alaina and Jimmy on our side (seemingly) and although they turned on us within a couple weeks, me and Jamie were able to keep the targets off of our backs for one week when Alaina became HoH by convincing her to go after Expert. Expert was put up on the block and we voted him out. The week that YoungMark went home, I messaged him telling him about how his alliance was not looking out for him anymore, because you guys were trying to make sure that I wouldn't put up Outlast if Stan used the veto to take Kenny off the block, but didn't even mention Mark. So I made a deal with him that if he made it past that week, I would look out for him and that would have been an ally for myself against the rest of you. However, he went home...just another thing that went wrong for me, but that would be an example of me working any angle possible to further myself in the game. I would say that my third move would be forming the final three alliance between me, you and Outlast. I know that this didn't last long, but I believe that Outlast actually meant what he said when he agreed to the alliance in order to get out Kenny. I don't think any of us actually was going to take it to the final three, but I actually was able to convince Outlast to flipping, for the time being at least, to get out Kenny. If I didn't, then oh well, that's not too surprising that another thing didn't go my way. In conclusion, I think I played a very strategic game because I had more decisions to make than anyone in the jury stage considering I won so many competitions. Winning competitions does not just mean you're safe and you don't have to do work. When I won, I thought long and hard about each one of my decisions in order to make it to the end or have a small chance at making some sort of deal or alliance the next week. I think some of you might be looking at me winning competitions as nothing, but it gave me the power to make strategic decisions. A power that I rarely got otherwise, considering I was never not a target. (Sorry it's so long again. I didn't expect it to be so long) The final 3 alliance meant nothing to me personally, That first one really didn't have much strategy, it made me feel that Alaina was thinking on her own or with Jamie and I respect that. The second one was futile since your strategic move didn't cater to your favor sine ym was evicted The last one was simple bs because your strategic move was to get rid of kenny with outlast on your side. I knew that the entire time, yet the only way you got rid of him was by being the sole vote. To me, non of your strategies worked and your alliance didn't work too well either. No offense. I knew that that final three alliance meant nothing to you considering you went back on it the first chance you got, but I knew Outlast wanted it to happen, at least for a week or two, just like I did. He wanted Kenny out and so did I, and we thought you would put him up and we were both mad that you didn't go through with our plan. And I think getting Alaina and Jimmy to work with us did take strategy. If we hadn't spoken to them, I doubt they would have approached us at all about doing anything against Kenny or Expert. The second one, I said exactly what you said. I know that it didn't work out. And Outlast actually wanted Kenny out too. At least, I hope he did because Kenny was the biggest jury threat and I was honestly shocked that there were so few people willing to make a move to get him out. I think there was plenty of strategy that went into the nominees that I put up each week I was HoH, and there was strategy in what I did the PoV sometimes. People seem to think that winning competitions just saves your a** but it also comes with a responsibility that can change the game. I used these powers to get rid of Alaina, Jimmy, You and Kenny, four of my biggest threats in the game. I don't think I should be discredited for winning competitions as if that just means you were safe and got to sit around. I also made moves due to those wins. |
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Post by Nate on Jun 12, 2014 19:33:00 GMT -5
Nate - In your long... long... plea, you stated that you made pre-game alliances with me, stan etc. I do not feel like I had a pregame alliance with you so if that is what you did with the rest, you are the worst at making alliances. I think we talked once and it was like "Hey, I hope I make jury".. "yea me too". I feel like you could have tried a lot harder to make relationships than you did (with me at least), and to be honest your biggest downfall would be that your main allies are no longer the cool kids in these games. So with that being said, did you have any social game to speak of this game? I do not see one. I'll try not to repeat myself too much since some of my answers might get a bit repetitive due to similar questions, but as far as my social game goes, I think I had a great social game actually. Besides you, Kenny, Enchilada and it seems like Jimmy later in the game, I don't think I had bad blood with anyone in this game. Social game is having relationships with other people in the game that would at least make them feel bad if they had to vote you out, and I think I did a great job of that because I talked to most of the cast a decent amount. I don't think my social game was the reason at all why I was a target throughout most of the game. I think it was because I was in the alliance that had the misfortune of losing the first pair in the game, and coupled with many competitions that were literally based on chance always ending up in the favor of the opposing alliance. Me and my alliance didn't have much of a chance once so many of us were being taken out at the beginning. I think that Holly being against me, or Stan being against me, or even you being against me had little to do with social game, it had to do with how the alliances were made and who wanted to take who out. I wanted you out most of the game, but that doesn't mean I don't like you and I don't think that's why you targeted me either. But I tried extremely hard to make alliances and to build trust with people. I don't think you saw this because I barely talked to you because I didn't feel like it was worth trying when we were constantly fighting on the threads along with Expert. Also it seemed like you and Kenny were in control, so it was useless to try and make a deal with you guys when you're sitting pretty. I wanted to go after the people who weren't as in control. I did talk to a majority of the house as much as I could though and I tried very hard to get them to go with me, but nobody would budge. But I do not think that my game should be judged because other people wouldn't hear me out. I was on a sinking ship and despite the fact that I'm friends with most of you, that doesn't matter much when I'm in an alliance against you and you want me out for strategic reasons. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 19:33:47 GMT -5
I'm really not trying to discredit you but it's just from what I'm seeing.
Alaina requested to be evicted though so you can't really say that you got rid of her.
Jimmy I can give you since people sleep on him. I feel like if he would've tried harder maybe things would have gone differently.
It's just kind of hard to see what you did because from everyone's eyes it was you against us with you having only won competitions.
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Post by Nate on Jun 12, 2014 19:45:38 GMT -5
I want both of you to answer why I, personally should vote for you to win? Based on your relationships and conversation and links to me. I think you should vote for me to win because despite the fact that I put you up during my HoH, I tried to be loyal to you in this game. You and Jimmy were playing a very sneaky game it seemed, playing both sides and you had me fooled for about a week, but I realized that you and Jimmy were still working with Kenny and at that point you and Jimmy were the biggest threats because you had all of us believing you guys were on our side. I think that even though we never really end up fully working together, I always try my best to look out for you and I hope you think the same way and would want to vote for me because you hopefully still like me lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 20:12:51 GMT -5
Nate - In your long... long... plea, you stated that you made pre-game alliances with me, stan etc. I do not feel like I had a pregame alliance with you so if that is what you did with the rest, you are the worst at making alliances. I think we talked once and it was like "Hey, I hope I make jury".. "yea me too". I feel like you could have tried a lot harder to make relationships than you did (with me at least), and to be honest your biggest downfall would be that your main allies are no longer the cool kids in these games. So with that being said, did you have any social game to speak of this game? I do not see one. But I tried extremely hard to make alliances and to build trust with people. I don't think you saw this because I barely talked to you because I didn't feel like it was worth trying when we were constantly fighting on the threads along with Expert. Also it seemed like you and Kenny were in control, so it was useless to try and make a deal with you guys when you're sitting pretty. I wanted to go after the people who weren't as in control. I did talk to a majority of the house as much as I could though and I tried very hard to get them to go with me, but nobody would budge. But I do not think that my game should be judged because other people wouldn't hear me out. I was on a sinking ship and despite the fact that I'm friends with most of you, that doesn't matter much when I'm in an alliance against you and you want me out for strategic reasons.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 20:56:48 GMT -5
To each of you. I want you to pick a song for each member of the jury. No explanation needed, the song lyrics should do the talking. Obviously put the YouTube videos of the songs in your post.
Alaina- I really have no idea, but you and Jimmy were always reported to be locked at the hip, and you were one of Kenny's main allies so.........
Maneater by Hall and Oates
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Post by Dewie890 on Jun 12, 2014 21:16:58 GMT -5
Nate - In your long... long... plea, you stated that you made pre-game alliances with me, stan etc. I do not feel like I had a pregame alliance with you so if that is what you did with the rest, you are the worst at making alliances. I think we talked once and it was like "Hey, I hope I make jury".. "yea me too". I feel like you could have tried a lot harder to make relationships than you did (with me at least), and to be honest your biggest downfall would be that your main allies are no longer the cool kids in these games. So with that being said, did you have any social game to speak of this game? I do not see one. I'll try not to repeat myself too much since some of my answers might get a bit repetitive due to similar questions, but as far as my social game goes, I think I had a great social game actually. Besides you, Kenny, Enchilada and it seems like Jimmy later in the game, I don't think I had bad blood with anyone in this game. Social game is having relationships with other people in the game that would at least make them feel bad if they had to vote you out, and I think I did a great job of that because I talked to most of the cast a decent amount. I don't think my social game was the reason at all why I was a target throughout most of the game. I think it was because I was in the alliance that had the misfortune of losing the first pair in the game, and coupled with many competitions that were literally based on chance always ending up in the favor of the opposing alliance. Me and my alliance didn't have much of a chance once so many of us were being taken out at the beginning. I think that Holly being against me, or Stan being against me, or even you being against me had little to do with social game, it had to do with how the alliances were made and who wanted to take who out. I wanted you out most of the game, but that doesn't mean I don't like you and I don't think that's why you targeted me either. But I tried extremely hard to make alliances and to build trust with people. I don't think you saw this because I barely talked to you because I didn't feel like it was worth trying when we were constantly fighting on the threads along with Expert. Also it seemed like you and Kenny were in control, so it was useless to try and make a deal with you guys when you're sitting pretty. I wanted to go after the people who weren't as in control. I did talk to a majority of the house as much as I could though and I tried very hard to get them to go with me, but nobody would budge. But I do not think that my game should be judged because other people wouldn't hear me out. I was on a sinking ship and despite the fact that I'm friends with most of you, that doesn't matter much when I'm in an alliance against you and you want me out for strategic reasons. Alright, I think I just made up my mind with this statement. Thank you |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:16:47 GMT -5
I have made up my mind already. I'm as confident as I could ever be with this vote. I don't see how this should even be close.
#NateNation
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Post by Dewie890 on Jun 12, 2014 22:22:45 GMT -5
#shutupexpert
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:25:04 GMT -5
#ImStillTalking
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:27:51 GMT -5
Your mind was made up like a month ago when you came in your pants over Nate's 6th challenge win.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:29:59 GMT -5
Your mind was made up like a month ago when you came in your pants over Nate's 6th challenge win. Who are you again? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:30:09 GMT -5
C'mon guys leave enchilada alone, he just got over excited is all
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:33:34 GMT -5
Your mind was made up like a month ago when you came in your pants over Nate's 6th challenge win. Who are you again? This insult would work if you didn't spend your whole duration in the game (which was way less than me) in an alliance with me and talking in a group thread with me. You sir failed miserably with that one. Also I was the vote that sent you home.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2014 22:35:17 GMT -5
This insult would work if you didn't spend your whole duration in the game (which was way less than me) in an alliance with me and talking in a group thread with me. You sir failed miserably with that one. Aren't you like 30? |
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