Final Tribal Council

[Kaitlyn]

I do give you credit for dealing with the psychpathnso long lmaooo. Idk how you did it

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2017 22:43:05 GMT -5 violet vova said:

Jul 29, 2017 22:13:52 GMT -5 @rbiash said:

Although you can say her making it to the end is impressive, which any person making the final is, I can also say that she had you/Jimmy/Phil/Stan (who she voted out)/Joey in the merge which definitely helped her out. She could also been the the 9th person in Jury if it wasn't for us voting out James. 

Can't you change some words, change some names and flip this statement in regards to you though?

[James]

Jul 29, 2017 21:18:43 GMT -5 Kaitlyn said:

Stan lost when he didn't have enough numbers left AND when he told me we were working together but didn't tell me who he was voting for so I had no choice but to vote him out instead. I had no other option.
Jhonmarco, idk I wasn't there and he wasn't relevant to my game. Sorry lol
James lost when you started to plot against people you were"working with". I'm glad we got over our differences this game, by we both knew we weren't really together. Once I heard you brought up my name and was trying to slander me by saying I'm running every tribe I'm on, I knew it was time. You were also a comp threat, and I knew I couldn't beat you.
Alex lost when he voted me out and I didn't go
Alad lost when his moron alliance member opened his mouth about the idol and we had to flush it out. If e never told anyone, we would have just voted for him, he would've played it most likely, and it would've been completely different.
Ashley lost just by being a two time winner. I wanted to be in the end withher so bad and we talked about that, but I kinda knew it was impossible because she is such a threat.
Phil...you know, I don't know. I was fully expecting that no matter who else was in the final, that phil would also be sitting there. I don't know what his downfall was. Maybe working with me and ash? He was playing a perfect game.
Joey lost when the second idol was played. It was only a matter of time that each of my alliance members were picked off because we didn't have the numbers anymore.
Jimmy lost well idk bc I told vova and don I'd vote him out because I want at least a chance to play for final immunity and then if I lost that could vote me out. I just wanted to try. I'm sorry jimmy lol I guess I just had a better relationship with them than you, idk. You played a good game as well because you laid low.
E lost the second he mentioned the idol and then again when he sent the wrong message to ash and phil. And when he begged for a my vote. And when he slandered me. And basically anytime he spoke.

Ty gl babe

[James]

Jul 29, 2017 21:25:00 GMT -5 Donald said:

Thank you James.
*Stan - For me, Stan showed me his true colors right after his idol play on Briq. He felt solid with me however he was basically like if we stay in tribes, he didnt know for sure if he would vote out JM over Alad. I understood it but just because I understand your point of view doesnt mean I agree with it lol. I think keeping Stan would have rubbed alot of people the wrong way which is why I voted him out.
*JM - While I didnt personally vote out JM... I will say that originally Joeynwas supposed to go home...I remember this because in our group PM I was the one to step up and say I feel like Stan and Joey should go. JhonMarco only went home because Alad got worried about Joey having an idol, so JM was literally like a backup plan for you guys I believe.
*James - From what Ash told me, you were basically trying to eat all peices of the pie...which isnt bad. I was doing the same thing. The difference is I was treating certain people like one way gates, meaning i'd allow them to tell me info while I give them
JUST ENOUGH info back so that they wouldnt catch onto that strategy. I feel like maybe you were cutting too many side deals with too many people and getting caught up in them. We boted
together that tribal so I cant comment much.
*Alex - Alex was the token swing vote... Which in some cases is exactly everyone wants but at that point in the game I feel like
both sides wanted people we know that we could for sure
trust. Alex had no real social ties so we figured he would fly with the wind.. Which is why he was voted out.
*Alad - Once again Joey was the original plan, however once E accidentally leaked some plans, I think Phil/Ash and em felt like Alad was in on it behind their backs so thats why they voted him out.
*Phil - I viewed Phil as the strongest comp wise, and lowkey the glue of the other alliance which is exactly why I made sure he was the target of the idol play.
*Ashley - Lol that exact morning Ashley was telling me how safe I was and for some reason I just wasnt buying it. I immediately pmed Joey and Jimmy and once I realized Joey wasnt gonna flip I started putting
all cards on Jimmy. We both viewed her as a potential winner and once I heard that my namr was being thrown around it made so much sense. She was also flying under the radar beautifully for a two time winner because her name had never been mentioned prior.
*Joey - Between Joey and Kaitlyn I felt less secure with Joey and felt like he was a bigger threat comp wise..thats all.
*Jimmy - I felt like he would have had a great under dog story had he made it to the end and he got pretty darn close lol.
*E - Vova wanted him out because he thought E would clean sweep us. I personally didnt care who got here between E and Kaitlyn (not trying to sound cocky) because I felt like once I was able to explain my game everyone would see that E was just being E...which is dramatic and theatrical lol. I didnt view E as the game
winning threat so I did give him the option of
going to rocks but he was scares of lul ole kaitlyn so ya

Ty gl homie

[James]

Btw vova i had an amazing ftc speech made specifically for e so much like i robbed briq of a vote in tonga im robbing you of a vote now for completely petty and bitter reasons. I still like you as a person ✊🏿

[Donald]

Hey phil,
This whole time I was playing to win. I knew coming in I wouldn't have a massive target, I also knew my first time around I had did alright and that was before I had even seen a single episode of survivor so that gave me extra motivation.
At no point in this game did I ever truly allow someone to control my fate because I feel like I created social ties with the right people at the right time to keep me going. Not trying to dog on my two other finalist but there wasnt really ever a time where I was told how to vote, Every single time I voted it was either my idea, or discussed with E. You are one of the people I able to make a move with that wasnt in my main alliance, I pitched the idea of gettng rid of stan to not only you, but my whole alliance. At that point in time I only had Vova and was nervous however I still was able to pull thru and make a move that didnt end up biting me.

I wouldn't consider myself a mastermind but I do try to think from all angles and a little into the future. For example, with your vote
off, I knew that you guys didnt know about E's second idol... so I knew if I kept casual conversation up with you, you'd eventually tell me how you were truly voting..which you did. That allowed me to successfully tell E how to play the idol. I viewed you as the strongest all around from that side which is why I told E and Vova that you should go.
When im trying to get someone to do what I want, Infirst ask myself how close I am with that person. If its someone like Jimmy, im very cautious. At ashleys vote off, when I was talking to him I purposefully only threw out Joeys and E's names because I know that me and him arent solid. Wether Jimmy wants to believe this or not I foresure used reverse psychology to get him to pitch ashleys name just so I couldnt be painted as a target lol. E and Vova know this true cause I was telling them this the whole time. If its someone im close with or solid with I first try to feel them out to see if they will throw something out that I like, if I dont ill go down and compare the two people side by side to help make a decision. Stan can vouch for me on this because we did this when Jonas got voted out. So to make a long story short I first take account into the relationship I have with that specific person and try to work around it.
In this game I felt the closest with E, Alad & Vova. James was high up but I knew he was playing alot of people

[Donald]

I also wasnt loyal to a fault to E like everyone probably thinks, I told Kaitlyn at final 6 that I hope she wins out on comps because I knew that E was the bigger threat at that point.

[Jimmy]

Can someone port my post over please

[Kaitlyn]

Jul 29, 2017 23:07:25 GMT -5 Donald said:

I also wasnt loyal to a fault to E like everyone probably thinks, I told Kaitlyn at final 6 that I hope she wins out on comps because I knew that E was the bigger threat at that point.

I can confirm this is true

[Deleted]

Here babe, I always got ur back even though there a f*ckin machete in mine




Vova - Whew. You've been runner up twice and you made it like 38 days in this game and you finally, finally made a move. What a drought. And what a move it was right? I mean you literally waited until the final season of survivor, the final vote to make your move. You were immune. There was no consequence if the move didn't work because it was essentially a walk off. Probably the safest move you could have made. But it was a move. I'll give you that.

Questions:

Why should I reward that play?
Why did you play your advantage when Ashley went home? Because it was a stupid move you had majority the next vote with it (had it anyway with Kaitlyn but whatever) and I heard it was because E told you to.
What was your least favorite vote of the season? Don't say me, nobody likes a suckup unless it actually was me which I doubt. You were probably smiling like the Grinch when you voted me.

I think you played good btw, so don't think I'm hating on you.



Kaitlyn - I don't know much about your game. We talked. Not a lot. No strategically. You left Joey and I out to dry in the rock contest, that was super lame but I get it. You gambled a bit and it payed off and you didn't owe me and Joey anything really. I assume I'll hear more about your game in your summary and the other questions. I think you played well too.

Questions:

Did you really cheat on challenges? If so, teach me.
How do you think the game would have played out if instead of Ashley leaving, Don left?
Favorite moment of the season?





Don - Like Ashley said you played similar to Vova, though much less tolerable and from what I gather in the thread you were going to tie it for E to stay but then he told you not to so you obeyed that command as well. Admirable I guess. Your initial post was silly, with E gone you had just as good of a chance at my vote as the others I think but hey to each their own. I'll have to see how your other answers go.

Questions:

In 10,000 words or more (preferably more) please tell me why I should vote for you?
What was your best move of the game?
Compare each jury member to a Disney character, and give like a very brief description why. Use pictures. I like pictures.


Just kidding about the first question. I don't want to read something that long. Good luck in the FTC.

[Jimmy]

You the best

[Kaitlyn]

If I really cheated, I would've won the last two immunity challenges. Morons lmao. I literally only won two and people lost their minds. If don left instead of Ashley, there is no doubt that she would be sitting here right now, potentially still with me and vova. And I wanted that!her and I were very close the entire game and we talked towards the end about us both making it here. So I know if she didn't get voted out, we would've made it happen. We would've had the numbers o so it. I'm sorry we didn't talk too much, you were stil laomeone I was working with but in the end, I guess you're right, I didn't owe you anything. I wasn't willing to risk my game for someone else's, and maybe that's cowardly but I'm sorry about that. I did enjoy playing the game with you!
My favorite moment of the season was james' blindside purely because the other "side" truly did not see it coming. We played it sooo well, and it saved my a**.

[Deleted]

Kaitlyn,

People would literally message me things like "make sure ur dog kaitlyn on a leash". I know that Phil and I were a huge part of your game, but what was your game outside of us

Also there were a few comments that circulated around many times about how u were running sh*t on your tribes early on and you were the most well connected. As arguably what was once one of the worst social games on the f*cking planet earth, you have def come a long way. Expand on that. Lay out what you feel you controlled and how you played differently this time.

[Kaitlyn]

Jul 29, 2017 23:19:39 GMT -5 @rbiash said:

Kaitlyn,

People would literally message me things like "make sure ur dog kaitlyn on a leash". I know that Phil and I were a huge part of your game, but what was your game outside of us

Also there were a few comments that circulated around many times about how u were running sh*t on your tribes early on and you were the most well connected. As arguably what was once one of the worst social games on the f*cking planet earth, you have def come a long way. Expand on that. Lay out what you feel you controlled and how you played differently this time.

Outside of you two, I made relationships with a lot of other players. Initially it was joe, and we clicked off the bat. Further along I worked with alex which was nice and until he tried to vote me out, I was close with him as well. I didn't trust him completely but I made sure he trusted me just enough. I had a good alliance with Stan, until I voted him out. We would talk daily. We even had a deal that after the first swap, I would keep Briq safe for at least one tribal. My tribe won immunity the two times we were on that tribe so I never had to worry about it, but when you see my confessionals you'll see I was very conflicted and concerned about not pissing off stan because I really did want to work with him, up until a line was drawn between him and the others, and I ( as well as you ) had to pick a side.
I think an important thing to note is that I don't know if anyone realized at the beginning how close I was working with you or phil. I also would talk to James regularly and let me tell you, I never trusted him, but I still made an active effort to talk to him and make him think I did trust him. There was a point originally where I had some sort of an alliance woth every single person on my tribe (except joey Canada tbh) and I think there's something to be said about that.
Up until the second idol was played, I was pretty much in control of every vote. I knew who was going and how many voted there would be. A few of the votes, the person who went home was my idea. Even the very first vote. My alliance was always on the majority side, and I don't think it was a coincidence. I do agree that you and Phil were a large part of my game, but I feel like I still was able to make my own decisions and have just as much input into decisions as both of you it was really equal and I don't think I was a dog to be put on a leash. Tbh I learned from the best (you, ash) and I used everything I knew to get me here socially. Usually I'm the type to win comps, and she's I won two individual, but the other times I either didn't need to win because I knew I wouldn't get voted out, or I had enough confidence in the people I formed relationships with that they wouldn't vote me out.

[Kaitlyn]

And as for how I played differently (sorry I missed that part) I don't think I opened my mouth as much. I used to run and tell almost anyone what I heard and that was my downfall. This time, I would only come to you or phil, and later on joe, with the info because I realized I had a core group I could trust that trusted me; and as long as I had friendly relationships with the others, I would be okay. There was some people who I would simply share "hey I heard thisnpersons name" with and that would be it, but it still worked in my favor. Simply being well connected with phil led me to be connected with jimmy who I rarely talked to. I talked to him less than people who voted me out.
Basically, I said enough to get people to work with me, but not too much that people were suspicious of my game too much.

Also just adding bc I forgot, but the immunity challenge where just me james and the two Jacobs played for our tribes. I messaged James before asking him to work with me during it, which in turn made him get the fast Jacob to work with us to take out the other one. James wouldn't have agreed to that if he didn't have some sort of a relationship with me.

[Kaitlyn]

I'll answer anything else in the morning gn ❤️

[James]

Jul 29, 2017 23:29:45 GMT -5 Kaitlyn said:

And as for how I played differently (sorry I missed that part) I don't think I opened my mouth as much. I used to run and tell almost anyone what I heard and that was my downfall. This time, I would only come to you or phil, and later on joe, with the info because I realized I had a core group I could trust that trusted me; and as long as I had friendly relationships with the others, I would be okay. There was some people who I would simply share "hey I heard thisnpersons name" with and that would be it, but it still worked in my favor. Simply being well connected with phil led me to be connected with jimmy who I rarely talked to. I talked to him less than people who voted me out.
Basically, I said enough to get people to work with me, but not too much that people were suspicious of my game too much.

Also just adding bc I forgot, but the immunity challenge where just me james and the two Jacobs played for our tribes. I messaged James before asking him to work with me during it, which in turn made him get the fast Jacob to work with us to take out the other one. James wouldn't have agreed to that if he didn't have some sort of a relationship with me.

Tbf i wouldve done anything to keep me safe tbh but it was either your or jacob q and you came to me first lmao but everything else seem solid you go girl.

[digwoman]

Hello everybody,
First off congrats on making it to Day 39.
Secondly... Don I'm triggered that you used me as an example to show your social game seeming like you were so brave to have a conversation with me so I'm a little hurt lmao.

Anyways...
I had very good relationships with all of you (or so it seemed cause it appeared y'all thought I was a snake and didn't really want to work with me) and everyone else asked about your strategy so I really am gonna base this off of my relationship with you.

Kaitlyn- at the James vote I repeatedly asked you who was the target because I told you I DID NOT want to vote you out. You waited til like 7 minutes before tribal to vote E when the target was James. Why would you not trust me enough considering I was telling you everything I knew? Please be as detailed as possible.

Vova- we were pretty tight since the beginning of the game and sooner or later we lost touch. Why was that? I tried to reunite at the merge and since then I felt ghosted if you can give me a good answer for that I'll give you my vote cause that would suck if you got 2nd place again. Please be as detailed as possible

Donald- my fellow Chipotle worker. I thought I had a good relationship with you and there were no problems (but I guess I was a chore for you lolz), but my one question is what are the 13 characteristics of a chipotle employee? I'm giving you 3 minutes to answer this question or I'm voting someone else.

Everyone good luck and it's been an honor to play with y'all.
Love, The snake himself Alex 🐍

[violet vova]

Jul 29, 2017 22:31:01 GMT -5 Phil said:

Hi everyone.

I'm winging this, so I'm repeating anything, honestly get f*cked.

I have a few things I want to know from each of you. Basically, I want to know what you wanted in this game. Nothing like, "see how far I could go" or "just have fun". I wanna l know if you had a real drive to win or if you just stumbled into the late stages of the game and realized you might have a shot so you might as well not give up. In your answer, I wanna know who you've felt true loyalty to. And if anyone says "La Familia", seriously go die. If you really had loyalty to some large alliance, how we're you gonna navigate that alliance? I wanna know if you had a real plan to get to the end.

Vova, I actually was onto your game for a while so I was starting to give you more credit in my head than maybe some others. But you're f*cking your self up by writing the next Great American Novel about how your strategy was actually just letting Ashley do everything for you and provide information to you. You honestly didn't seem that proactive when it comes to your own strategy. Convince me how you would have gotten this far if Ashley wasn't a dumbass and provide for you all game.

If you answered any of these questions already, quote yourself and tell me to get wrecked because I haven't read anything these other f*cks have already asked you.

Thanks for the question Phil

To answer the first question, I was in it to win it. I wanted revenge from last time I played. On Tonga, I lost fair and square. But on Vietnam, I thought I was robbed. So even before when Nate made the cast I told him I was gonna win. And here we are, I'm in the final again. It may sound cliche, but I do mean it. I didn't play just to have fun and whatever. I want to win. But I understand that this is a game and whatever happened or happens to me won't personally affect me. 

To answer your second question, I'm glad you caught on my game. I'm sure you would, you're a beast in these types of games. But I feel that I gotta reword my answers better. My strategy wasn't letting Ashley do everything for me. I approached her and told her straight up that working with me would be better for us because if not La Familia would take over. I was just blurting BS really, but she was willing to help each other. My strategy in this game was to be as social as much as possible which I believe worked since I received 0 jury votes and I had numerous of people defend my name if I was in trouble. I wanted to gain more access to what others were thinking and how they were playing. I did that by working with Ashley and we both relied information to one another that we both used for our benefit. I also was cool with Joey, who told me that you were practically running this game. I wanted to not be seen as a threat and I believe I did a hell of a job doing so. If everything went against me, I believe both E and Don would've been voted out before I would. And that's cause I put myself in that situation. Also, I wanted to get rid of potential threats that'd bite me in the a**. I voted out James because I thought he was too much of a wildcard and a competition beast. I voted you out because to be quite honest, it had seem as if you were gonna run the tables if you weren't voted out sooner. I voted out Ashley because I didn't need her anymore, and we both told each other this after. I voted out Jimmy because he actually came through with wanting to make a bigtime splash, and I didn't want to risk him being here in the FTC. I wanted E gone because, although he was berserk, he was playing a hell of a game in which I think would have won him the game. All me and Ashley did was tell each other what was going on. It wasn't like she was the only, she can vouch that I in fact was giving her the information that she used for her game as well. Me and Ashley were like what Briq and Jhon were in Big Brother: Back to the Basics. Except we both knew that we were gonna cut each other off when we didn't need each other. Just so happened that Ashley got voted out before me.

And if it Ashley wasn't working with me, I'd try to improve the relationships I had with both Joey and Alex. They were both solid players who had no ties at all in this game compared to the rest of us. Me and Joey were already working with each other, our PM's were lit af. I was also close with Alex because we were both in the same tribes as before. I also had Don/Alad/E willing to take me to the end. I'd also reach out to how I did with Ashley to you. You both had ties with Jimmy/Kaitlyn and you also were close with E and Don. I don't think I get the credit that I feel I deserve cause like, the way I look at is: Ashley, a two time winner who has solid ties with a lot of people, was without reluctance telling me the sh*t you guys were planning on. That could be the result of both my social game and the strategy I took with it.

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2017 23:44:48 GMT -5 violet vova said:

Jul 29, 2017 22:31:01 GMT -5 Phil said:

I don't think I get the credit that I feel I deserve cause like, the way I look at is: Ashley, a two time winner who has solid ties with a lot of people, was without reluctance telling me the sh*t you guys were planning on. That could be the result of both my social game and the strategy I took with it.

Alright slow down tiger. The only plans you were in on was James cus we needed you. In case you forgot you got blindsided next tribal.
the only other information I told you was sh*t to make you feel good with jimmy, kaitlyn and phil and then sh*t to make you mad at E lmao