Final Tribal Council

[Nate]

The final three walk into the tribal council area, set their torches at the back and sit down by the fire.

We'll now bring in the jury...

The ten members of the jury walk into the tribal council area and sit on the bench.

@desertfox, Jhonmarco, James, digwoman, Alad, @rbiash, Phil, Joe (hey), Jimmy and pepper voted out at the last tribal council.

Congratulations final three. You've outwit, outplayed and outlasted twenty-one other all-stars and you've now come as far as you can in this game. However, the game now turns to the last ten people you three may or may not have had a hand in voting out. Tonight, each member of the jury will vote for a winner of the final season of Survivor and each juror will get a chance to get the answers and information they need to decide who that vote is for. 

I'll give each of the three of you a chance to give an opening statement that is three paragraphs or less (this is not for me, it's honestly to save you from annoying the jurors). Once each finalist has posted their opening statement, jurors, you may ask questions. No juror is allowed to continue their portion past FOUR posts (this means your original questions and then three other responses) anything after that will be deleted and this includes any finalists responses after that as well.

Votes for a WINNER will be due Monday 7/31 at 11:59 PM site time. Votes will be read LIVE at the reunion which will not take place until after Nate is back from vacation which is August 1st or later. Nobody cares if you're bothered by this so save the whining.

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Kaitlyn violet vova Donald

[Donald]

*First and foremost respect is a two way street, I will give you respect if you give me respect. If you sh*tty towards me im sh*tty towards you and thats just life*.

Wassup Friends & Jimmy,
imma keep this pretty-to-the-point and just give an overall summary of my gameplay while still allowing yall to ask questions lmao.
My gameplay coming into this game was to bounce back from every mistake I made my original season.. And I think I successfully did that.Growing up I always lived tougher neighborhoods and was constantly moving which gave me the beautiful trait of ALWAYS been aware of my surroundings. Which is why I believe im so socially aware... All I did was use that trait to help me read you mothercluckers and act accordingly. A quick example of this would be E's first idol play and Vova's advantage play, both of those times I knew it would be unnecessary but my allies allowed the paranoria to get the best of them which is normal in this game lol. Its just funny cause I still got to the end however if we didnt waste those two, the path would have been considerably easier so wasting those two advantages definitely made me work for this...
Being someone who isn't viewed as threatening is definitely a huge advantage coming into this game
because it gives me the chance to really settle in and choose a side, some people come in with huge targets and are forced to work with only people they know.
I wanted to be able to branch out which almost became impossible at merge but luckily I was still able to find some cracks and work around them.
However being less threatening also has its disadvantages, because if you align with a big player/character people will PERCEIVE you as a goat even if you lowkey the one making all the decisions lol.
I usually suck at playing games that I have tons of friends in because in my real life I have a horrible habit of putting others before myself so voting some of you people out really sucked for me game or not..
Anywho I think this season I excelled in the social/strategic category and was alright comp wise, I won one immunity so I guess I played an all around game....Ask me good questions yall... Be original ❤️.

[Kaitlyn]

HI Mine will come later tonight I'm in the middle of moving today

[Kaitlyn]

Hi everyone.

I'll ask summarize my game. So off the bat I was placed on a tribe with people I know and consider friends which worked to my advantage. My social game isusually trash and I can admit that but I think this game I was better than usual. I was accused a few times of "running every tribe I'm on" simply because I was friends with people. This is true to a point. Every time I went to tribal council, I knew who was going home and I was in the majority vote. Ash phil and I also found ourselves in the middle of a few votes because we all had ties to both "sides" of the tribes we were on. Speaking of ash and Phil, these were my two closest allies the entire game. Without them, I wouldn't have made it very far. And joe, he was always one of my allies as well. Everyone knew we were a pair but didn't separate us until very far along the line.

My name didn't come up to get voted out seriously until very far into the game, which was when we blindsided James. I think that no one wanting to vote me out is a good thing. And I was able to avoid it. Th
I won immunity two times when I think I was in somewhere danger of being voted out. I also helped my tribes win tribe immunity a few times, specifically the one with the anagram. The fact that I am good at missions is a huge reason why I'm sitting here: e didn't want the vote to be tied last vote because he didn't want to go against me in a challenge because he knew he wouldn't win.

I think my game was mostly social (for once) but I also proved I am pretty good at challenges. I think that combo is a reason of whyim sitting here right now. Ask away.

[violet vova]

Yo I'm going to write this up in a bit, I just have to go help my pops out with something.

[violet vova]

What's good everyone, before I say anything else I just wanna say it was a pleasure playing with you all and hope everything still suave.

Coming into the game, I personally thought that La Familia would stick together. I'm sure by now everyone knows who was in it, but for those who do not know La Familia had Cole/Jacob/Stan/E/James/Kenny/Briq/Don/Alad/Myself. So that's 10 members out of I believe 24. So we were all really excited for the potential of having La Familia in the merge, I sure know I was. But that wasn't the case, like at all. Straight from the beginning, turmoil erupted, paranoia struck and so much wild sh*t was going on. It really was such a blooper. However, this really didn't officially break up until like I believe the 3rd tribal council where Kenny tried to toss me, and E and Jacob voted for Kenny. That's when everything really struck me and it hit me that in order for me to go far in this game I couldn't let those situations happen again. So what I did was bring back my Vietnam gameplay, but not go crazy with it. And by that I mean, I just tried to talk to each individual on my tribe more than I have previously. I had to be more strategic in who I wanted to work with and go further along in the game. So what I did was reach out to Ashley. Which IMO, was probably the best thing I did. I thought me and Ashley were a super solid duo, and I don't think anyone during the game even expected that.

Now, everytime I play Survivor I always get anxious with tribal councils because you truly never know what you're gonna expect. And especially when you've made two previous finals in both of your seasons, you never really should feel comfortable that you're safe. So I tried to stay out of the limelight, and having E by my side really justified it. But I also had to make sure that the others didn't see me as a threat early on. So like always, I approached them and let them know I was in it with them. I feel that I did a pretty good job of that considering that I only received like two votes in this whole game and that came from like tribal council 3 really. But this season was really crazy, it was a sh*tstorm. Every tribal council was like a Game of Thrones episode. Everyone was lying to each other, it's part of the game. But I had felt that I had put myself in a position where I was good with both sides of the game. Considering that when my name was brought up after E outed my advantage, both Ashley and Joey helped clear my name for the time being.

Strategically, I tried to be aligned with people that were beneficial to my game and I used that to my advantage. Working with Ashley, like I said previously, was the best thing because we'd share a lot of information about the game and who was working with whom, and who was telling the truth and all of that good stuff. And the reason why it was so beneficial, was because both Phil and Jimmy were super close with Ashley as was Kaitlyn.Joey and Kaitlyn were super tight, Alex was really the only one who no one seemed to try and work with, especially after the James blindside. So she'd tell me on what they were thinking and planning, she'd also tell me the sh*t E was telling her, and etc. It was clear that Ashley had the ins and outs of the game because people that were left trusted her and liked her. So I used all of the information given + what I already knew to help me further along the game. I made decisions that I felt were necessary to help me reach the final. And I think I did a pretty decent job at it as well. I'll answer this more if you guys ask about it.

Also I did pretty well in competitions, I won two important competitions that solidified me going to the final. And I was close in a few as well.

You guys can ask me about anything I'll be 100% honest and I'm looking forward to it. I didn't wanna chatter a lot because I didn't want to bore anyone lmao.

[James]

Don: I'm proud of you. People don't realize these games are just that.. games.. and do sh*t to ruin they own game. But either way gj homie.

Kaitlyn: I'm glad we put our differences aside this game assuming it was real lmao. Hopefully we can continue not being scumts to each other.

Vova: Sounds like Ashley did all the work tbh also I have no questions. I have statements. Vova, you're an arrogant, pompous, human being. But I admire your frankness with it. You have worked hard to get where you're at and you started working way before you come to the island. So with my work ethicbackground, I give credit that to you. But on the other hand, your inability to admit your failures without going into a whining speech makes you a loser in life.

ALSO VOVA,the raft persona queen. You did get stomped on, on national TV by a city boy that never swam, let alone been in a woods or jungle or rowed a boat in his life. You sucked on that game.

I was your friend at the beginning of this, really thinking that you were a true friend. I was willing to be sitting there and put you next to me. At that time you were sweeter than me. I'm not a very openly nice person. I'm just frank, forward, and tell you the way it is. To have you sit next to me, and me lose $900,000 just to stomp on somebody like this.

As the game wore on and the two tribes merged, you lied to me, which showed me the true person you are. You're two faced and manipulative to get anywhere you are at in life. That's why you fail all the time. So at that point in the game, I decided to go out to my alliance with my family and just hold my dignity and values in check and hoping that I hadn't lost too many of them and play the game as long as possible and hang in there as long as possible.

But Vova. Go back a couple of times when Nate said to you, 'What goes around, comes around.' It's here. You will not get my vote. My vote will go to NOT VOVA. And I hope that is the one vote that makes you lose the money. If it's not, so be it. I'll shake your hand and go on from here.

But if I would ever pass you along in life and you are laying there dying of thirst, I would not give you a drink of water. I would let the vultures take you and do whatever they want with you with no ill regrets.

I plead to the jury tonight to think a little bit of the island we have been on . This island is full of, pretty much, only two things - snakes and rats. And in the end of Mother Nature, we have VOVA The Snake, who knowingly went after prey; and VOVA ALSO who turned into the rat that ran around like rats do on this island, trying to run from the snake. I believe we owe it to the island spirits we have come to know to let it end in the way that Mother Nature intended: For the snake to eat the rat.

My questions for don and kaitlyn:

At what point in the game did each member of the jury "lose". A specific moment or event that started their downfall, not "they got voted out".

Goodluck y'all.

[Deleted]

james that was so f*cking stupid.. like

[Joe (hey)]

ok so you all suck in your own unique ways

don: i think jimmy summed up your game best in the tribal i left at with this:

Jul 22, 2017 1:51:42 GMT -5 Jimmy said:

A typical conversation with Donald. 

Person: "Hey Donald, what's your favorite movie?"

Donald: "Spiderman!"

Person: "Oh cool man."

Donald: (to himself) "Haha I got that f*cker, it's actually Mean Girls."

anyway, my question for you is what distinguishes you from vova other than your undying hatred for jimmy? 

vova: holy f*ck you drove me insane, i wanted to work with you so badly but you never reciprocated and that's honestly a shame because reciprocating might have put you in a position where you would be viewed as your own player rather than a clone of don or an ashley sheep!

my question for you is why did you feel the need to protect E for f*cking years and then just cut him at final 4 after putting kait's entire alliance on jury?

kaitlyn: i hate you for robbing me and all of us of rocks and i still think it was dumb but it paid off i guess so grats?

in general i think the way you played off that tribal was really f*cking scummy so i just want to know if you ever even considered going to rocks

and finally a question for all of you:

how do you losers think you would've done had you come into the game with no friends?

that's all bye

[Deleted]

I'm reposting my Don question. Vova and Kaitlyn I gotta come up with something for you love bugs.

Donald, my personal opinion is you and vova played the same motherf*cking game, which is fine but I don't know how to separate the two. Like y'all both played up the I'm cute and black and nice and I'm your friend and y'all made it to ftc. I need to know why u played better than vova. I see y'all as two peas in da pod. Prove me wrong. and no I don't want to f*cking hear paragraphs of you trying to prove that you weren't E's goat, not my line of thinking so ur not gaining my vote with that Also you hinted to me that u were "drivin the bus" or some sh*t. From my opinion you kind of laid back most of the game even being on the wrong side of the votes for quite a bit.... is there a point in the game where you feel as though you gained control and what did you do?

[Kaitlyn]

Stan lost when he didn't have enough numbers left AND when he told me we were working together but didn't tell me who he was voting for so I had no choice but to vote him out instead. I had no other option.
Jhonmarco, idk I wasn't there and he wasn't relevant to my game. Sorry lol
James lost when you started to plot against people you were"working with". I'm glad we got over our differences this game, by we both knew we weren't really together. Once I heard you brought up my name and was trying to slander me by saying I'm running every tribe I'm on, I knew it was time. You were also a comp threat, and I knew I couldn't beat you.
Alex lost when he voted me out and I didn't go
Alad lost when his moron alliance member opened his mouth about the idol and we had to flush it out. If e never told anyone, we would have just voted for him, he would've played it most likely, and it would've been completely different.
Ashley lost just by being a two time winner. I wanted to be in the end withher so bad and we talked about that, but I kinda knew it was impossible because she is such a threat.
Phil...you know, I don't know. I was fully expecting that no matter who else was in the final, that phil would also be sitting there. I don't know what his downfall was. Maybe working with me and ash? He was playing a perfect game.
Joey lost when the second idol was played. It was only a matter of time that each of my alliance members were picked off because we didn't have the numbers anymore.
Jimmy lost well idk bc I told vova and don I'd vote him out because I want at least a chance to play for final immunity and then if I lost that could vote me out. I just wanted to try. I'm sorry jimmy lol I guess I just had a better relationship with them than you, idk. You played a good game as well because you laid low.
E lost the second he mentioned the idol and then again when he sent the wrong message to ash and phil. And when he begged for a my vote. And when he slandered me. And basically anytime he spoke.

[Kaitlyn]

I did consider going to rocks that tribal And I actually waited all day to vote because I couldn't make up my mind. I had a chance of staying with rocks, but also had a chance of going with them. By not forcif rocks, I had a 100% chance of staying and gave myself a chance to win immunity. Although I didn't, I'm happy I so much as gave myself the chance. Survivor is about risks, and sure I didn't take that one but my goal in this game was to get here, to FTC. Rocks could've prevented me from being here and I wasn't going to risk my entire game for someone else. I said in a confessional that if I'm going to go, I'm going to go out like a lady and not by an idol. Same thing applies to rocks. If I went out of this game, I wanted it to be through a fair vote because people didn't want me in the gme. Not because of luck.

[Kaitlyn]

And to answer the second part, I think if I had no friends it would've been significantly harder. I said in my opening statement that it really worked to my advantage that I did have so many friends. However I did develop relationships with joe and alex who I didn't know and actually repaired one with James who I f*cking hated prior sooo who knows. It wouldn't have been as easy as we made it but I don't know if it would've been overwhelmingly hard. Probably bc I suck but ehoknows

[Donald]

Thank you James.
*Stan - For me, Stan showed me his true colors right after his idol play on Briq. He felt solid with me however he was basically like if we stay in tribes, he didnt know for sure if he would vote out JM over Alad. I understood it but just because I understand your point of view doesnt mean I agree with it lol. I think keeping Stan would have rubbed alot of people the wrong way which is why I voted him out.
*JM - While I didnt personally vote out JM... I will say that originally Joeynwas supposed to go home...I remember this because in our group PM I was the one to step up and say I feel like Stan and Joey should go. JhonMarco only went home because Alad got worried about Joey having an idol, so JM was literally like a backup plan for you guys I believe.
*James - From what Ash told me, you were basically trying to eat all peices of the pie...which isnt bad. I was doing the same thing. The difference is I was treating certain people like one way gates, meaning i'd allow them to tell me info while I give them
JUST ENOUGH info back so that they wouldnt catch onto that strategy. I feel like maybe you were cutting too many side deals with too many people and getting caught up in them. We boted
together that tribal so I cant comment much.
*Alex - Alex was the token swing vote... Which in some cases is exactly everyone wants but at that point in the game I feel like
both sides wanted people we know that we could for sure
trust. Alex had no real social ties so we figured he would fly with the wind.. Which is why he was voted out.
*Alad - Once again Joey was the original plan, however once E accidentally leaked some plans, I think Phil/Ash and em felt like Alad was in on it behind their backs so thats why they voted him out.
*Phil - I viewed Phil as the strongest comp wise, and lowkey the glue of the other alliance which is exactly why I made sure he was the target of the idol play.
*Ashley - Lol that exact morning Ashley was telling me how safe I was and for some reason I just wasnt buying it. I immediately pmed Joey and Jimmy and once I realized Joey wasnt gonna flip I started putting
all cards on Jimmy. We both viewed her as a potential winner and once I heard that my namr was being thrown around it made so much sense. She was also flying under the radar beautifully for a two time winner because her name had never been mentioned prior.
*Joey - Between Joey and Kaitlyn I felt less secure with Joey and felt like he was a bigger threat comp wise..thats all.
*Jimmy - I felt like he would have had a great under dog story had he made it to the end and he got pretty darn close lol.
*E - Vova wanted him out because he thought E would clean sweep us. I personally didnt care who got here between E and Kaitlyn (not trying to sound cocky) because I felt like once I was able to explain my game everyone would see that E was just being E...which is dramatic and theatrical lol. I didnt view E as the game
winning threat so I did give him the option of
going to rocks but he was scares of lul ole kaitlyn so ya

[Donald]

This is for Joey & Ashley I guess I had it pretyped since Ash asked me this earlier.
However Im not a liar for no reason until you break my
trust. There was many times where my honesty actually benefited my
game.. Jimmy lied to me numerous times as well as you
Joey so I must ask. Why is it okay for yall to lie
to me but not for me to lie back? Joey you were
one of the first people I pmed on our original tribes and we had a great bond.. I kept you updated on so much stuff..do you remember where our relationship started crumbling? I do...when you lied to
me at the james vote off.. Even after that tho I was still in ya pms trying to work you lol.
The reason I should win over Vova, is because like you stated....Unlike Vova
...many times I was able to save myself. You kinda ran ya self over with that line. You already answeres your question..I never, ever, want someone else to be the cause of my safety in a game.. This is basically like when you were up against Dewie lol, I was the one going out of my way to solidify social bonds with people just incase some f*cked up sh*t happened. A major example of this would be at the Stan vote off, this is a move that I Myself presented to Phil, and Jimmy without Vova because ...well Vova wasnt down tbh. Vova wanted Stan here but I knew keeping Stan around would be detrimental to MY game. This shows you that im someone who isnt afraid to branch out and make moves outside of my main alliance. With your vote off, I understand that you tried to give Jimmy all the credit for whatever reason, however I APPROACHED Him! He couldn't have pulled that off without me. Vova and E didnt even know that I was the one getting votes until I told them lol. I knew that you and Jimmy were close so when I was talking to him I had to use reverse psychology to get him to pitch your name...(E & Vova can vouch for me on this lol I spent like 30 mins talking to dude before I told them that we were good) That way if he tried to flip sh*t I could just show you the screenshot of him pitching your name while I looklike an angel. I definitely take things like that into account when making moves because its sooooo easy to have the target flipped on you, especially in this game. I think you took my a** kissing towards you too seriously those few weeks that my group was on the bottom.. I viewed you and Phil as the leader of ya group so that is why I made sure to be the one staying in contact with you two and talking "safe" game as much as possible. Another example is the Alex vote off...Just talking to you I was able to gather that we cut from the same clothe...We both viewed Alex as a potential swing vote and we both wanted him out for that reason..Even tho he wouldnt have been harmful to either of our games and was a potential number, we both knew what we we're doing when we voted him out..We both wanted people who would be ride or die only to our side...I doubt you had that convo with Vova lol.

Tldr; I was in the driver seat more than Vova when it came to our group, and while I think Vova played a great game, I think in this particular game he relied on my social awareness more than I relied on his.

[Donald]

To answer the second part of Joeys question, if I had no friends it would have made it so much easier to vote some of you f*ckers out lmao. I enjoy playing newbie seasons because I enjoy meeting new people which is evident with how much I tried to talk to people outside of my alliance. Hell..I even have a page or two of pms with Alex. Not sure how I would place but it wouldnt phase me tbh. Coming into allstars I knew many people would have pregame alliances which kind of take away from the season a little but its hard to avoid...I enjoy the freshness newbie seasons have to offer. And well if we going based off of history I made f3 my OG season coming in with no friends...

[Deleted]

Jul 29, 2017 21:29:58 GMT -5 Donald said:

This is for Joey & Ashley I guess I had it pretyped since Ash asked me this earlier.
However Im not a liar for no reason until you break my
trust. There was many times where my honesty actually benefited my
game.. Jimmy lied to me numerous times as well as you
Joey so I must ask. Why is it okay for yall to lie
to me but not for me to lie back? Joey you were
one of the first people I pmed on our original tribes and we had a great bond.. I kept you updated on so much stuff..do you remember where our relationship started crumbling? I do...when you lied to
me at the james vote off.. Even after that tho I was still in ya pms trying to work you lol.
The reason I should win over Vova, is because like you stated....Unlike Vova
...many times I was able to save myself. You kinda ran ya self over with that line. You already answeres your question..I never, ever, want someone else to be the cause of my safety in a game.. This is basically like when you were up against Dewie lol, I was the one going out of my way to solidify social bonds with people just incase some f*cked up sh*t happened. A major example of this would be at the Stan vote off, this is a move that I Myself presented to Phil, and Jimmy without Vova because ...well Vova wasnt down tbh. Vova wanted Stan here but I knew keeping Stan around would be detrimental to MY game. This shows you that im someone who isnt afraid to branch out and make moves outside of my main alliance. With your vote off, I understand that you tried to give Jimmy all the credit for whatever reason, however I APPROACHED Him! He couldn't have pulled that off without me. Vova and E didnt even know that I was the one getting votes until I told them lol. I knew that you and Jimmy were close so when I was talking to him I had to use reverse psychology to get him to pitch your name...(E & Vova can vouch for me on this lol I spent like 30 mins talking to dude before I told them that we were good) That way if he tried to flip sh*t I could just show you the screenshot of him pitching your name while I looklike an angel. I definitely take things like that into account when making moves because its sooooo easy to have the target flipped on you, especially in this game. I think you took my a** kissing towards you too seriously those few weeks that my group was on the bottom.. I viewed you and Phil as the leader of ya group so that is why I made sure to be the one staying in contact with you two and talking "safe" game as much as possible. Another example is the Alex vote off...Just talking to you I was able to gather that we cut from the same clothe...We both viewed Alex as a potential swing vote and we both wanted him out for that reason..Even tho he wouldnt have been harmful to either of our games and was a potential number, we both knew what we we're doing when we voted him out..We both wanted people who would be ride or die only to our side...I doubt you had that convo with Vova lol.

Tldr; I was in the driver seat more than Vova when it came to our group, and while I think Vova played a great game, I think in this particular game he relied on my social awareness more than I relied on his.

Okay but did vova really rely on your social awareness ever? I mean the kid came to me in the middle of the game and offered me a final 2 at which point we very mutually benefited from each other until we didn't need each other anymore. It's kind of funny but at the same time I completely agree it was his best move.  I don't think it's a downfall to align urself with someone who has a lot of influence and who will protect you. You didnt have to protect urself because ur don and everyone loves you and ur target isn't big.  Which Im not knocking, thats a perfectly fine way to get to ftc lmao  

and my vote off: first thats not Jimmy's side of the story but imma let him talk about that.  I'm giving him credit because I knew u three f*ckers were going to come for me. E had told me that morning that vova wanted me gone that tribal.  Jimmy approached me the night before and said he wanted a final four of me, him, kaitlyn and joey.  Jimmy I thought was solid as f*ck, so am I giving that man credit for flipping on me? yes I am
also I love you but it doesnt take Dr. will to say "yo man, lets take out the two time soon to be three time winner, we only got 3 tribals left to do it"

[Donald]

Jul 29, 2017 21:49:32 GMT -5 @rbiash said:

Jul 29, 2017 21:29:58 GMT -5 Donald said:

This is for Joey & Ashley I guess I had it pretyped since Ash asked me this earlier.
However Im not a liar for no reason until you break my
trust. There was many times where my honesty actually benefited my
game.. Jimmy lied to me numerous times as well as you
Joey so I must ask. Why is it okay for yall to lie
to me but not for me to lie back? Joey you were
one of the first people I pmed on our original tribes and we had a great bond.. I kept you updated on so much stuff..do you remember where our relationship started crumbling? I do...when you lied to
me at the james vote off.. Even after that tho I was still in ya pms trying to work you lol.
The reason I should win over Vova, is because like you stated....Unlike Vova
...many times I was able to save myself. You kinda ran ya self over with that line. You already answeres your question..I never, ever, want someone else to be the cause of my safety in a game.. This is basically like when you were up against Dewie lol, I was the one going out of my way to solidify social bonds with people just incase some f*cked up sh*t happened. A major example of this would be at the Stan vote off, this is a move that I Myself presented to Phil, and Jimmy without Vova because ...well Vova wasnt down tbh. Vova wanted Stan here but I knew keeping Stan around would be detrimental to MY game. This shows you that im someone who isnt afraid to branch out and make moves outside of my main alliance. With your vote off, I understand that you tried to give Jimmy all the credit for whatever reason, however I APPROACHED Him! He couldn't have pulled that off without me. Vova and E didnt even know that I was the one getting votes until I told them lol. I knew that you and Jimmy were close so when I was talking to him I had to use reverse psychology to get him to pitch your name...(E & Vova can vouch for me on this lol I spent like 30 mins talking to dude before I told them that we were good) That way if he tried to flip sh*t I could just show you the screenshot of him pitching your name while I looklike an angel. I definitely take things like that into account when making moves because its sooooo easy to have the target flipped on you, especially in this game. I think you took my a** kissing towards you too seriously those few weeks that my group was on the bottom.. I viewed you and Phil as the leader of ya group so that is why I made sure to be the one staying in contact with you two and talking "safe" game as much as possible. Another example is the Alex vote off...Just talking to you I was able to gather that we cut from the same clothe...We both viewed Alex as a potential swing vote and we both wanted him out for that reason..Even tho he wouldnt have been harmful to either of our games and was a potential number, we both knew what we we're doing when we voted him out..We both wanted people who would be ride or die only to our side...I doubt you had that convo with Vova lol.

Tldr; I was in the driver seat more than Vova when it came to our group, and while I think Vova played a great game, I think in this particular game he relied on my social awareness more than I relied on his.

Okay but did vova really rely on your social awareness ever? I mean the kid came to me in the middle of the game and offered me a final 2 at which point we very mutually benefited from each other until we didn't need each other anymore. It's kind of funny but at the same time I completely agree it was his best move.  I don't think it's a downfall to align urself with someone who has a lot of influence and who will protect you. You didnt have to protect urself because ur don and everyone loves you and ur target isn't big.  Which Im not knocking, thats a perfectly fine way to get to ftc lmao  

and my vote off: first thats not Jimmy's side of the story but imma let him talk about that.  I'm giving him credit because I knew u three f*ckers were going to come for me. E had told me that morning that vova wanted me gone that tribal.  Jimmy approached me the night before and said he wanted a final four of me, him, kaitlyn and joey.  Jimmy I thought was solid as f*ck, so am I giving that man credit for flipping on me? yes I am
also I love you but it doesnt take Dr. will to say "yo man, lets take out the two time soon to be three time winner, we only got 3 tribals left to do it"

Oh i see what you're doing here. Your rooting for vova the same way you rooted for jimmy the first all stars because you feel like everyone is sh*tting on him lol. Yes Vova benefitted from my social awareness.... For one he said it himself many times that I saved the group with my social skills lol. In all honesty even with my social awareness he still wasted an advantage after I told him multiple times not to use it. I didnt feel the need to promise you a final 2 because we both would have called bullsh*t on it. Lol I knew at that point in time you were smart enough to know that we wouldnt be getting to
the end together which is why I focused mainly on Jimmy/Joey and later Kaitlyn.You coming for me
when you just called vova my
clone? Whers the equality lol

[violet vova]

Jul 29, 2017 21:12:54 GMT -5 Joe (hey) said:

Jul 22, 2017 1:51:42 GMT -5 Jimmy said:

vova: holy f*ck you drove me insane, i wanted to work with you so badly but you never reciprocated and that's honestly a shame because reciprocating might have put you in a position where you would be viewed as your own player rather than a clone of don or an ashley sheep!

my question for you is why did you feel the need to protect E for f*cking years and then just cut him at final 4 after putting kait's entire alliance on jury?


and finally a question for all of you:

how do you losers think you would've done had you come into the game with no friends?

that's all bye

Thanks for that question, I did want to work with you. You were alone in the game, besides being close with Kaitlyn. But I felt that at a time we were working together. It was just when I approached you with wanting to make a big splash you preferred the next tribal council. So I just had a feeling you were just gonna stick with them. But with the idea of being Don's clone or Ashleys sheep, me and Ashley gave information to each other and were willing to work together. We both didn't want each other going to the final, one of us had to cut each other off before and we even talked about it after she was voted out. With being Don's clone, we wanted to go to the final together but we had a different approach getting there. But when it got to a certain point, it just came easy. We didn't need to ruffle any feathers lmao.

But with regarding to why I kept E for this long was quite simple. I was the only person E told that he had a second idol. I told him that he should not tell anyone because we'd use that to our advantage. It was until tribal that he told Don. But knowing that E had a second idol, I felt that okay E can really be useful. Also E wanted me in the final, so why get rid of someone who willing to go the extra mile and help me get there yaknow? Especially with how big of a target E really was. It was a shield too. But I already had my mind made up with not taking E to the final. With all the crazy sh*t E pulled, he was playing a hell of a game. A game that I thought would earn him the W. So cutting him in the final four was crucial. I know Kaitlyn was down because she had no other choice really, I just had to let Don about it because he preferred Kaitlyn to go. But you also have to understand the situation I was put in. When E by accidently told Phil and Ashley about his idea and when he outed my advantage, it was like I just got thrown in the mud. So I had to try and get out of it. When you told me that they were thinking of voting you out and you quickly declined it, I was thankful, but also it gave me a heads up. Like it's gonna be hard to try and gain their trust back. So sticking with E was always gonna be the plan. But it was only a matter of time before I let him go. Timing is everything in this game. E deserved a grand exit.

Regarding to your second question, it's hard coming into a game with no friends. You and Alex both made it to merge without really having a relationship others have. So I respect that heavily. I can bet it is quite difficult to make a move when the people you're tryna work with already have their alliances and friendships made up. But I feel that I'd do pretty solid, because again I feel that my social game would really take me far. I don't come off as arrogant, I come off as a laid back person who vibes with pretty much a lot of people. And I try to relate so I can gain their trust and seem friendly so others are willing to go far with me in the game.

[Donald]

Not to mention your disregarding where I pointed out I had to PM jimmy. One could argue that if I never sent that PM, You would be here and not me. I would have left that night had I not PMED him because... i was the one they were voting for. Jimmy also wasnt replying to Vova at that time in the game lol. So yes I do believe I deserve partial credit.