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Post by Brooke on Jun 2, 2017 20:55:31 GMT -5
Big Brother 3 - Finale
Welcome everyone to the ONE AND ONLY Big Brother 3 Finale. The is finally upon us.
Here is how this is going to work. Short and Sweet? Or long, idk. You guys decide.
We will start from opening statements from the Final 2
K and SammySosaTV
Then the jury can either make a comment or ask questions. Once everyone has made up their mind...the jury will vote on who they wish to be the WINNER of Big Brother 3!!!
Jury:
202mitch Nate Jacob Gucci Mane vergi1 ESchro09
Any questions before we begin? Kolle and Sammy please post opening statements.
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Post by SammySosaTV on Jun 2, 2017 21:20:46 GMT -5
Hi, everyone! So, I'm extremely excited to have made it this far. I've been in the "ORG world" since 2011, and I'm gonna be honest and say I've never won a long-term game like this before. Have I made it to the end plenty of times? Ye. Have I played a winning game plenty of times? Absolutely. But this is the first time where I have both played a winning game AND made it to the end. THAT'S why I think I should win this season. I haven't played the best game of all time, by any stretch. You could argue that I'm not even the best player this season. I've made a few mistakes, without a doubt. That being said, I DO think I've played the best game within this final 2, and you're not voting for the best player of the season, you're voting for the best player in the final 2. Throughout this entire game, I have had nothing but control. Maybe not control in the traditional sense, but I've controlled my fate in this game more than anyone, especially more than the person who's sitting next to me. When I faced danger at final 5, I looked it in the eye, and I snuffed out that danger by winning the POV. I have never even had to face an eviction vote this season. I never had a single vote cast against me since day 1. I’ve faced a fair share of adversity, and I’ve dealt with it quickly. Because of all these reasons, do think I absolutely deserve to win this game. Obviously, I can go into much greater detail if you need me to. I didn’t wanna go into pages of bullsh*t as my opener lmao.
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Post by K on Jun 3, 2017 6:29:52 GMT -5
Hey guys.
First, I wanted to say what an amazing game this has been. Although there were some ups and downs, overall we are ending it strong. Thank you Brooke and her cohosts. The person who sits next to me is an amazing competitor, winning the most comps definitely proves that. Wishing him all the best.
I am really proud of how well I have done in this game. I have been bad at social games in the past, in fact I am actually a replacement castmember in this game bc I did not know if I could do another social game; but I am so glad I did. This is the best social game I have ever played...
I have met amazing new people, made up with others who I had beef with and gained even stronger bond with people who were already my friends. I honestly feel like I like everyone who played this game, yes with some we had some disagreements but its a game, its expected. I hope after this game, the relationships can stay as strong they are. But more importantly, I am so glad I have played my best social game in this season and it landed me in finale 2, usually I dont even make it to jury. I learned from my past mistakes and player way smarter game this time around.
I think my whole gameplay can take together with two main pin points. Those were second week HOH and second to last HOH before finale HOH.
Second week HOH we had to pick ourselves two HOHs and I was one of the front runners with Gucci and Jonas, it was tied at the end. When all this voting was going down, I saw perfect opportunity to make myself a possible allie. After first week losing Manny, it was strong message that people are going after Vevmo and there has to be something done. So before anyone can unbreak a tie, I offered Jonas a deal, if I drop my vote (and let him and Gucci win) he keeps me and my friend safe and I think this move right here was smartest thing for rest of the game. Me and Jonas formed possible friendship and partnership. Week after week Vevmo people were dropping like flies and remining ones were fighting hard to stay, i like to think it was my friendship with him(and prob other reasons) that made him work with us and make an alliance. Without that decisions to drop my vote in second week, I dont think I would be here or even in jury.
Second pin point is when I won HOH. I know, lot of people see it as mistake that I did not get rid off Jonas that week but listen, I had a plan. After I found out POV was live, I knew Sammy was gonna win it. He is really good at live comps, wins them all so it was a no brainer. So I had to came up with a plan and think ahead! If there was top 4 with me, Jamie, Sammy and Vergi I knew I was going home if I did not win next POV. I could not compete in HOH, so I had to win POV in order to stay, otherwise I was going home for sure. Only way I was not going home was if Sammy also did not win HOH and POv but that was not the risk I was willing to take. So I decided to keep Jonas as my shield. Top 4 with Jamie, Sammy, Jonas was much safer for me and would get me closer to the finale. This late in the game you had to think about yourself, and keeping Jonas was best thing for me. It was safe, yes, clearly not powermove but helped me to the end. I did not make this far because I was a layup, so I knew I hard target on my back. Plus Jamie won HOH that week, so there was really strong possibilty that one of Jonas or Sammy was going home that week if Jonas would have not quit.
Overall I think I played a great game. I picked my allies good. I survived „death to all vevmo“ movement. I survived multiple evictions against really strong people. I faced ER best female social player in eviction, with two mystery prizes and also I faced one of the most likeable person who played this game. I did not obvously win as much as my opponent here, but I was often in top 3 and more than once I gave my possible win away when it was better for me or my allies. I did not need to rely on wins to survive, I had to fight for it. If I won alot of times, I probably would have made more power moves but it was all social game for me. I made this far because social game I played.
Sorry about this long paragraph.
Thank you for your time
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Post by Brooke on Jun 3, 2017 8:34:21 GMT -5
Jury you may go ahead with your questions!!!
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Post by Nate on Jun 3, 2017 9:51:47 GMT -5
Hey guys, congratulations on making the final two, it's no easy feat and you both deserve it. Before I get to my questions, I wanna say that my vote is up for grabs completely. If Jamie were here, I probably wouldn't even ask questions lmao, but this is a trickier decision because while I see strengths in both of your games, there are very very large looming issues with them too that I hope can be cleared up tonight.
Kristina...
I have a pretty simple question for you, because from my point of view right now, you played the best game out of the two of you. I'm sure America thinks Jonas or Sammy or whatever had the best social game, but I would 100% disagree with that and say that you, by far, had the best one, which I never in a million years thought I'd be saying. Ever since BB4, I haven't been able to really play the game like most people, because I'm always this huge target that people wouldn't dare trust with information, but you actually talked to me. If you weren't genuinely talking serious game with me, it sure felt like you were and that's what the social game is all about. This game was beyond frustrating for me, dealing with people constantly ignoring my messages until it benefited them (which is horrible strategy btw take notes for survivor dickbags), but you made my final days in the game especially, much better so I thank you for that.
I think social game is the most important aspect of what deserves a win, and yours was one of the best I've seen, which is saying a lot following your India game which was questionable lol. The very large issue at hand though, is not really about your game. I want to know why I should vote for you after hearing these things about you changing your group to see threads you weren't allowed. As a host, I probably would have kicked you out of the game, in fact, if any of that happens even once in Survivor, they're out, so I want to know why you still deserve to win despite you more or less cheating.
Sammy...
Sammy, I think you're a great guy and I know you have a very strategic mind, but from where I'm sitting, your game disappointed me a bit. You sort of did the whole ignoring me thing that I mentioned above, but not as bad as some, so I'll let that slide. I think everyone loves you, so I'm not gonna say anything bad about your social game, but your strategic game is questionable. What I'm most confused about is your decision to stick with Jonas for sooooooo long. I mean, yeah, you eventually turned on him at like...final five, but he made the final four and QUIT. If he hadn't quit, he probably could have won out and he probably would have sweeped the votes. I am all for using meat shields in these games, that's usually my shtick in survivor games myself, but you gotta pull the trigger on them before they get to close to the end, cuz then you're just leaving it up to fate. I wanna know what your thought process was with this because from what I watched, you looked a little like an abused child of Jonas' waiting till the very last opportunity to finally stand up to him.
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Post by SammySosaTV on Jun 3, 2017 10:34:32 GMT -5
Sammy... Sammy, I think you're a great guy and I know you have a very strategic mind, but from where I'm sitting, your game disappointed me a bit. You sort of did the whole ignoring me thing that I mentioned above, but not as bad as some, so I'll let that slide. I think everyone loves you, so I'm not gonna say anything bad about your social game, but your strategic game is questionable. What I'm most confused about is your decision to stick with Jonas for sooooooo long. I mean, yeah, you eventually turned on him at like...final five, but he made the final four and QUIT. If he hadn't quit, he probably could have won out and he probably would have sweeped the votes. I am all for using meat shields in these games, that's usually my shtick in survivor games myself, but you gotta pull the trigger on them before they get to close to the end, cuz then you're just leaving it up to fate. I wanna know what your thought process was with this because from what I watched, you looked a little like an abused child of Jonas' waiting till the very last opportunity to finally stand up to him. Throughout all of this, my relationship with Jonas was key to my gameplay. Immediately, I recognized Jonas as the most powerful player in the game. Is he the actual BEST player? Maybe, maybe not, but from Survivor, I knew that he could win a lot of comps. If Jonas is winning a lot of comps, that means he'll be winning a lot of HOHs. If Jonas is winning a lot of HOHs, that means he's making a lot of nominations. So, I recognized that I needed to work with Jonas because he wouldn't nominate me, and I wouldn't nominate him. I mean, OBVIOUSLY, right? But that fundamental symbiotic relationship really established a base for my gameplay. The reason I went unnominated for so long was because Jonas had won so many HOHs during that time. He had so much power and time and time again, he kept me safe. From the get-go, I knew that this relationship couldn't last until the final 2. And I think Jonas recognized the same thing, we were just waiting on a time to strike. When examining when I needed to target Jonas, I looked at when I felt he would try to get me out. I figured final 6 was the time because I thought, Jonas, at the earliest, would want me gone at final 5, when there are only two voters, and one vote can tie. And I was right, and I tried to strike first. Obviously, the move didn't work out at that point, but I was ready to take him out. You can say I “sheeped” Jonas. I actually think that’s a fair assumption. I followed his lead and let him take control a lot. But that was to establish trust and fluff him up until I was ready to take my sheep's costume off. When I took my costume off, it was revealed that I was actually a wolf. And I HAD taken Jonas by surprise, but I guess I hadn't accounted for Farmer Vergi, who had great observation skills, 40 yards out with his gun ready at the sight of a wolf. And was that an error on my part? Perhaps. In fact, I'd say it's my biggest mistake. But, I had spoken to Vergi the week prior, and we had both agreed that Jonas needed to go soon, but I suppose he thought me trying to take Jonas out at final 6 was too soon. The reason i let Jonas skate by so long is because I wasn’t threatened by him until that very moment in final 6. If you look at weeks prior, Jonas had never nominated me, and we had always worked together on which target we wanted out that week. Jonas wasn’t just a shield, but he was a confidant that was extremely valuable to me. When I had planned to backdoor Jonas, I think I made some great strategic plays during that week. I had sabotaged our shared document during the POV to ensure that he didn’t win it, and it worked pretty perfectly. I was so sure that I had won that one POV, but Vergi had me beat. I was actually just as positive that Jonas would be going at final 6 regardless of if Vergi or I won the POV, but Vergi ended up not using the Power of Veto and the move never turned out to be the great, big move that I thought it could’ve been. About the quitting thing, you can say whatever you want about how Jonas quitting affected my game, but Kristina would not be here if it weren’t for Dakota quitting at final 6. Vergi and Jonas were both sending votes her way, and her white knight decided to swoop in and slit his wrists for her. Which is all fine and dandy, but I never had that direct correlation between someone quitting and me being here like Kristina has. *Edited for format issues gross
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Post by K on Jun 3, 2017 14:27:27 GMT -5
Kristina... I have a pretty simple question for you, because from my point of view right now, you played the best game out of the two of you. I'm sure America thinks Jonas or Sammy or whatever had the best social game, but I would 100% disagree with that and say that you, by far, had the best one, which I never in a million years thought I'd be saying. Ever since BB4, I haven't been able to really play the game like most people, because I'm always this huge target that people wouldn't dare trust with information, but you actually talked to me. If you weren't genuinely talking serious game with me, it sure felt like you were and that's what the social game is all about. This game was beyond frustrating for me, dealing with people constantly ignoring my messages until it benefited them (which is horrible strategy btw take notes for survivor dickbags), but you made my final days in the game especially, much better so I thank you for that. I think social game is the most important aspect of what deserves a win, and yours was one of the best I've seen, which is saying a lot following your India game which was questionable lol. The very large issue at hand though, is not really about your game. I want to know why I should vote for you after hearing these things about you changing your group to see threads you weren't allowed. As a host, I probably would have kicked you out of the game, in fact, if any of that happens even once in Survivor, they're out, so I want to know why you still deserve to win despite you more or less cheating. Thank you Nate for the kind words. So to answer your first part about cheating, this was definitely biggest controversy about me in this game. So let me first explain, why I did what I did. Me, Jamie and Sammy were prepping for part 1 in finale HOH, but since I had exam, I had to start day later than Jamie and Sammy. Seeing, how ER finale endurance comp is usually to see everyone(public thread), I thought it would be great way to troll if people see Jamie and Sammy started without me and I am no longer in group of Big Brother Houseguest. Like did Kolli quit too? What is happening? I had no idea that changing groups makes you see Jury thread. I was so sure it was hidden and password protected like viewers thread is. So after Brooke made a call Kolli starts day later, I changed my group (to troll) and went to bed. If I woke up, I saw this massive mistake what I had done. I was called cheater and it turned into huge thing. So I explained to Brooke I did not know, I tried to come up million ways how to prove I did not look at that thread, I found out that proboards provides plugging to see which users have viewed certain threads(maybe useful for you in future?) I did everyhing I could to prove I did not cheat. And altho I annoyed Brooke with that topic(sorry) I think she did not think I cheated. I even said to her if she really thinks I cheated, she can dq me. But she did not. And if you think about it. Would I really cheated this late in the game so stupid way? I changed my group when usually forum has most users online, then this change lasted about 6 hours til someone mentioned it. If I really wanted to cheat, would I really done that this stupid way? Why? Just to expose myself and ruin my almost perfec game? In finale HOH? Would not it be easier to make myself fake account or log off(dont know if it was public then too) I did not know it was public to read to everyone, I actually did not care what Jury thread was saying. So I am telling you right here, I did not cheat. I totally can see how this looks like I did and believe me, weeks later I can not believe how dumb I was, but that group changing was not to cheat. It was my pathetic try to troll(note to myself, dont ever try trolling again). But end of the day, there is nothing I can do anymore. I can see why people may think I cheated, but I did not do that. Its up to everyone wheater they believe me or not. As for why I deserve to win. I think its because how well I involved as player in this game. Like I mentioned before, I am horrible in social games. But this time around, I decided look at all my previous games and learn from my mistakes and do better this time. And I believe I did. Like you saw in Survivor, I was revangeful and just plain stupid player. This game I got along almost with everyone, I did not burn any bridges with anyone and I really tried hard in this game. I was not dealt best cards in this game but I tried to make every situation work. Like when you and Ashley showed up, I was f*ck. Its no secret me and Ashley are not in best terms and you and I were not BFFs either. But instead of giving up, I made this work. I tried to talk to you and Ashley and I think it ended pretty well. I was always thinking multiable steps ahead and seeing now I am in finale 2 now, I think I can be proud of myself and game I played. I am really glad you Nate, from all people decided to ask me about this cheating stuff. I dont know if you remember, but we had something similar in Survivor too. And I tried hard in this game to not make any mistakes, I asked lot of times from Brooke is this or that okay and yet still I made one, in top 3. I feel so embarrassed. But I want you to know, I really did learn from playing Survivor alot and I was really anti-cheating and my pitiful attempt to troll was not meant to come off as it did.
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Post by Jacob on Jun 3, 2017 15:16:19 GMT -5
Hey everyone, congrats on F2. I am happy that you both have made it this far! Honestly, I think Nate's questions covered what I was going to originally ask the both of you. Kristina, thank you for clearing up the "cheating" issue. That was something that was on my mind as I began thinking about who I would give my vote to.
I'll ask a simple question for both of you.
What is a mistake you made in this game that you would go back and change?
Anyways, CONGRATS to both of you! There was a lot of BS from different players this season, but you stayed in and used it to your advantage, so kudos!
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Post by SammySosaTV on Jun 3, 2017 15:39:25 GMT -5
Hey everyone, congrats on F2. I am happy that you both have made it this far! Honestly, I think Nate's questions covered what I was going to originally ask the both of you. Kristina, thank you for clearing up the "cheating" issue. That was something that was on my mind as I began thinking about who I would give my vote to. I'll ask a simple question for both of you. What is a mistake you made in this game that you would go back and change? Anyways, CONGRATS to both of you! There was a lot of BS from different players this season, but you stayed in and used it to your advantage, so kudos! My biggest mistake was actually in regards to the final 6 power of veto and how little I communicated with Vergi about it. Essentially, my whole coverage that week was me trying to say "I have a plan, please don't be upset when I nominate you" (this is to Kristina), "and just trust me." Obviously, this was me trying to be sly so Jonas couldn't figure out what I was actually planning. And for the most part, I do think it worked. The point where Jonas eventually found out about me trying to backdoor him was when he was checking his answers on the sabotaged Google Doc when he realized that I was actively attempting to make him lose. Regardless, the thing that backfired about me being all mysterious with my "I have a plan" is that I didn't get a whole lot of time to speak with Vergi about the benefits of making the move to get Jonas out. With Vergi having won the POV, I knew Jonas would more than likely talk his ear off in order for him to not use it. I don't know about you guys, but I've played with Jonas for two seasons in a row now. When Jonas gets word that he's in danger, he can pull out a hell of a speech in order to convince someone to stick with him. Hell, I had admitted that I was trying to backdoor him, and he was still doing damage control for just in case Vergi DID use it. Jonas is constantly on a 100, and to be honest, I do think it gets kind of grating. So, my failed strategy was to be the opposite of Jonas. While Jonas might've been saying "If you keep me around, I'm just another shield for you, I will target Sammy, Sammy will target me, and that will go on for a bit longer, giving you some time to survive". I thought I was gonna be a bit chiller and relaxed about campaigning for him to use it. I just sent him one message saying something like "you do you, do what you think is best for your game". Obviously the intent was there, of course I wanted him to use the power of veto so I could backdoor Jonas, but my strategy legitimately failed. Vergi didn't end up using it and the rest of that week is history. In truth, that final 6 HOH week was my biggest failure of my game. It took me out of the driver's seat and I was thrust as a passenger for a while. I had to win that next Power of Veto, or my game would've been over. Despite this being my biggest failure, obviously I don't regret attempting to make the move at all. I think I had to do something in order to get rid of my biggest threat and THE biggest threat to win, and it just didn't shake out in my favor. The thing I DO regret is how I approached my communication with Vergi. I wish Vergi had used it and we could've gone on to final 5 together with a bit of a better chance to survive for both of us, but unfortunately Vergi was taken out after Kristina was hesitant to make the move on Jonas. Despite the massive failure, I did end up regaining control after Jonas quit. Obviously, Jonas quitting affected my game in a positive way, but I don't think there's a 100% chance that I WOULDN'T be here if Jonas didn't quit, either. I was still feeling confident going into that final 4 POV, and I would've obviously voted to evict Jonas over Kristina any day. Regardless of how you look at those last few weeks, with quits galore and it seeming like "welp, hey, we're at final 3 now I guess?", I think everyone benefited from all those fluke evictions. As previously stated, Kristina was virtually out the door if Dakota hadn't quit. In addition, if Jonas's previous votes and intentions were similar at final 4, there's no way Jonas would've taken Kristina to the end either. Were those last few weeks rocky? Absolutely. But I think they were just as, if not more rocky, for my opponent. But the fact that I can say that my "catastrophic failure" in this game led me to... having to win a POV... is a massive credit to my gameplay prior to that week. Everyone in the final 6 or 7 "had" to win a POV at some point, if not multiple points in the game. I consider it a rite of passage. So, I think if you compare my critical regret to other players' regrets, there's no contest who made bigger mistakes throughout this game.
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Post by K on Jun 3, 2017 16:11:09 GMT -5
Hey everyone, congrats on F2. I am happy that you both have made it this far! Honestly, I think Nate's questions covered what I was going to originally ask the both of you. Kristina, thank you for clearing up the "cheating" issue. That was something that was on my mind as I began thinking about who I would give my vote to. I'll ask a simple question for both of you. What is a mistake you made in this game that you would go back and change? Anyways, CONGRATS to both of you! There was a lot of BS from different players this season, but you stayed in and used it to your advantage, so kudos! Thank you Jacob. As for my biggest mistakes, its obviously this group changing thing. I should have known better, should have been smarter about it. Whole game I was walking on egg shells not to make mistakes and I still did. Before I was going to bed, I was thinking pming to Brooke "dont worry brooke, I am not quitting, I am just trolling viewers" but now, after finding out this was way to read Jury thread and whole mess what followed that, I regret whole thing. It should have not happened or atleast I should have asked Brooke before if its ok and she would have told me, no. Whole situation was idiotic for my part and I gained nothing from that. Ok, this is not true, I gained pile of sh*t and rightfully so. Endurance comp was not even in public thread so it was just so pointless. So If I could go back and change something, I would have not done it. I am really sorry and if any of you think it was stupid, I think ten times more that. I think I played pretty good game and its a shame this one mistake can overshadow my whole game.
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Post by Brooke on Jun 3, 2017 18:47:04 GMT -5
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vergi1
Fresh Meat
Yea, idk what to do here anymore.
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Post by vergi1 on Jun 4, 2017 5:38:03 GMT -5
All right, well congratulations to both of you Kristina and Sammy. You both played good games and after reviewing these statements and questions I'm starting to understand where you are both coming from in each given moment.
So my big thing is I'm saltlord because of how week6 happened with Dakota quitting, as Sammy said both myself and Jonas had voted for Kristina so she was gone and with her gone the whole late game changed completely. This was something that was otherwise impossible to happen in a regular game and was highly annoying, and before you say no he wasn't voting you Kristina the only reason he told you he would have voted Dakota is because you were HOH and the reason he stayed again in f5.
Sammy after seeing how it all went yes I should have taken out Jonas, but my point being that with Kristina out and a not so much of a threat in Dakota in you and Jonas take one another out and I could have a chance comp wise to take the other out. This was my only chance to actually win the game, to make a play like that since my social and strategic game up tit that point was complete sh*t and if I took Jonas out nothing stopped you from going after me.
Most of the things I was wondering have been cleared up by Nate's question so I'll just throw down this.
From the people in the jury aswell as the quitters is there anyone there who deserves to be in the f2 more than you?
Thank you, and once again congrats you guys. Aswell as to the other 19 people who participated, this was a fun expierence and I'm glad I got chosen to be a part of it. Brooke you were a great host :]
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Post by SammySosaTV on Jun 4, 2017 6:32:16 GMT -5
Sammy after seeing how it all went yes I should have taken out Jonas, but my point being that with Kristina out and a not so much of a threat in Dakota in you and Jonas take one another out and I could have a chance comp wise to take the other out. This was my only chance to actually win the game, to make a play like that since my social and strategic game up tit that point was complete sh*t and if I took Jonas out nothing stopped you from going after me. From the people in the jury aswell as the quitters is there anyone there who deserves to be in the f2 more than you? I actually completely understand the strategy of the move on your part. It holds up soundly because you would be put into a position of having the strongest physical players battling each other while you were able to fly under the radar, even just for one more vote. I was just saying that for my game, personally, it was a mistake because it put me in a position where my a** got lit on fire. I think at final 5, literally so many things had to go wrong for you to be evicted that week, and you kind of got a raw deal on that front. Kristina winning HOH, me winning veto, and then Jamie being the renominee instead of Jonas. I even messaged Jonas saying "how the f*ck are we both in final 4 together?" because I was that dumbfounded that the week went the way it did. So, I don't fault you one bit for trying to take a risk and actually attempting to make a play to win instead of just survive. So about your move at final 6, I definitely think it was a good move on your part. On mine? Not so much. As for your actual question lmao I don't think either of the quitters deserve to be in the final 2, and I wouldn't say anyone deserves to be here more than I do. Does that sound high-arsed? Sorry but it's how I feel lol BUT I do think there are two members of the jury who played excellent games and had great chances to have won it all: Jamie and Gucci. With Gucci, at the time, I think he was playing a PERFECT game. He was unnominated up until that point, he was winning plenty of competitions, and he was phenomenal socially. I think it was around final 9 when I thought to myself "oh dear god Gucci's gonna win if we don't do something about it". At that point, I went to Jonas and we both agreed Gucci had to go. We both said that after Jacob went, he was our next biggest threat in terms of actually winning the whole thing. But the great part about Gucci's eviction was that I was able to be complicit in what was, at that point, kind of a blindside by Jonas. In final 8, I was able to ensure Jacob went, who I thought was a huge, if not obvious, threat. At 8th place, I had gotten rid of a social player who had wronged very few people throughout the game. I won that final 8 HOH with the knowledge that not only did I want Jacob out as a big threat, but also knowing that Jonas had a bigger final 7 target in mind than me: Gucci. Jonas wins HOH, and at final 7, Jonas decided to nominate Gucci and Kristina up front, with the idea that Jonas and I would fight as hard as we could for the veto. On the Battleship discord call, things were very lax between Jonas and I as we were both fine with either of us having the POV to ensure that Gucci went. Jonas eventually ended up winning the POV, and Gucci was evicted 3-1. To the rest of the house, at that point, this move looked like all Jonas. He nominated, won POV, and sent Gucci packing. This left me with seemingly no blood on my hands, even though I was just as, if not more involved, with Gucci's eviction. Gucci's ability to seemingly fly under the radar while simultaneously winning competitions actually reminded myself a lot of how I was playing at that point. I thought to myself "hey, I'd probably wanna take myself out", and so I did. Gucci was my pick to win at that point, because he was so great in all three aspects of the game: socially, physically, and strategically. With Jamie, on the other hand, I feel like she almost deserves to be here just as much as I do. As I said when I evicted her, she played a great under the radar game, and if the final two HOH competitions go differently, she would've had so much more control over her fate than she actually did. I think for any finalist in games like these, luck plays a huge role in actually getting there. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for some luck. For me, the luck swung in my favor. For Jamie, she had some bad, bad, luck in this game, and she still was this close to winning it all. That's why I think Jamie would be very well suited in the final 2. thx 4 the question
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Post by K on Jun 4, 2017 7:08:24 GMT -5
All right, well congratulations to both of you Kristina and Sammy. You both played good games and after reviewing these statements and questions I'm starting to understand where you are both coming from in each given moment. So my big thing is I'm saltlord because of how week6 happened with Dakota quitting, as Sammy said both myself and Jonas had voted for Kristina so she was gone and with her gone the whole late game changed completely. This was something that was otherwise impossible to happen in a regular game and was highly annoying, and before you say no he wasn't voting you Kristina the only reason he told you he would have voted Dakota is because you were HOH and the reason he stayed again in f5. Most of the things I was wondering have been cleared up by Nate's question so I'll just throw down this. From the people in the jury aswell as the quitters is there anyone there who deserves to be in the f2 more than you? Thank you, and once again congrats you guys. Aswell as to the other 19 people who participated, this was a fun expierence and I'm glad I got chosen to be a part of it. Brooke you were a great host :] Thank you Vergi. Just little sidenote, Jonas told me he was not going to vote me out before Dakota even quit. But I will adress this Dakota issue in my closing statement because I do have lot to say so keep an eye open for that. As for who deserves to be here, its a tough call. Because I dont know moves every person made behind the close doors, like lot of people dont know things I did. So this opinion is based on only what I know. I mean I wanted to have Gucci here, I really did. I am not gonna hide it and its all over my diaries too. I think him and I played really similar game, we both had great social game and he was my closest allie. If I did not think he deserves to be here, that would mean I dont think I deserve to be here. Me and Jonas talked alot who we dont want to see in finale 2, before Jonas even won that HOH, I pmed Gucci and told him Jonas gonna pick us. I knew Jonas does not want f4 with 3 Vevmo people and it was his last chance to change that. I am not happy how things went down but I completely understand. I really did want Gucci to stay, did everything I could so he can stay but since it was me or him, I had to save my a**. I think what was Gucci downfall were his two HOH wins at the beginning. One was when I gave my win away to Jonas and another one was top 4 Vevmo people (huge credit to Mitch!!!!) great plan to survive "death to all vevmo"and he won that Mystery Prizes week thanks to that plan. These wins worked for my favor too, because when Vevmo person won, I won but somehow Gucci was the one who got them both and that put huge target on his back. And I am sure if I would have taken Gucci place in Mitch plan and Gucci would have unbroken the tie in order to work with Jonas and I would have won that week, I would have been eliminated against Gucci that week. Its really bittersweet situation. But who deserves to be here out of everyone? It has to be Jonas. I think this game was his game. I had close alliance with him, my opponent had, almost whole house had. And altho almost everyone in the jury is there because of him, I still think they would have thought he played good game and voted him to win. He was an amazing allie, after Survivor it took me long time to trust him but working with him was best thing for my game like I mentioned in my opening statement. I know he quit and quitters dont deserve anything bla bla bla, but I am gonna be real here, Jonas played great game this season and I give credit where credit is due.
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Post by Gucci Mane on Jun 4, 2017 7:22:22 GMT -5
*The King makes his entrance*
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Post by Gucci Mane on Jun 4, 2017 7:41:09 GMT -5
So, congrats on making it to the final 2. I'll keep it 100 and admit that I went into this expecting to vote for Sammy to win because of the cheating allegations but Kristina you cleared that up so thank you for that.
So now my vote is up for grabs. I think both of you played a great game and I in no way plan to be bitter.
Here are my questions:
Sammy- Jonas accused you of changing a document you both were using to keep tabs on who won comps, care to elaborate on that?
Kristina- Aside from your social game, what else did you bring to the table that warrants you winning the game?
Again congratulations to the both of you.
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Post by SammySosaTV on Jun 4, 2017 7:56:18 GMT -5
Sammy- Jonas accused you of changing a document you both were using to keep tabs on who won comps, care to elaborate on that? Yes! Jonas and I had decided that there would more than likely be competitions about this season's past, and so I made a Google Doc with all of the information: who won which competitions, who was initially nominated, POV, final noms, etc. Only thing that was missing on this doc was days. Here is the actual Doc that wasn't tampered: docs.google.com/document/d/1XPp89oY4lLAvVIexZl4tKYt36Wv5cXbKmM21DPIGSl0/editSo, the first thing I did was do the competition. I often did the competitions before anyone else because I have a lot of free time and Mel's Aussie a** was usually online when I was up at 2am worrying about a test or something. So, I did the final 6 POV, which was a before and after competition. Perfect! I did the competition using the correct Google Doc that I had shared with Jonas a few weeks prior. I did well with that, but then I knew that Jonas would ask for the link to the Doc. So, I sabotaged it. Deciding that I needed to be as cutthroat as possible to get out my target, I realized I had to be a bit of a villain. With the knowledge of which weeks were crucial to the POV, I switched up the weeks. The numbers of the weeks, obviously, still went in order, but the content of the weeks were different. For example, during week 6, Dakota and I had both won the double eviction HOHs. However, I had changed it so where it read that week 6 contained an HOH, nomsets, POV winner, etc. where you won HOH. I changed a lot of the weeks, so I can't exactly remember which weeks had gone where, but I did make sure they were subtle enough so that I didn't put a jury member somehow being voted out prejury or something. It all looked realistic, and in Jonas's rushed competition beastmode state, he bought it hook line and sinker. Here's the moment in Skype when he figured it out: [5/10/2017 4:51:21 PM] Jonas M: I did before after after after before before after after before after [5/10/2017 4:51:58 PM] Jonas M: O snap u give me the wrong doc :X [5/10/2017 4:52:06 PM] Sammy (SammySosaTV): Before is not a word anymore [5/10/2017 4:52:16 PM] Sammy (SammySosaTV): No I didn't [5/10/2017 4:52:56 PM] Jonas M: U definitely won ur 2nd hoh before me [5/10/2017 4:53:10 PM] Sammy (SammySosaTV): No I didn't [5/10/2017 4:53:13 PM | Removed 5/17/2017 2:51:39 PM] Sammy (SammySosaTV): This message has been removed. [5/10/2017 4:53:14 PM] Jonas M: Yes you did [5/10/2017 4:53:18 PM | Removed 5/17/2017 2:51:36 PM] Sammy (SammySosaTV): This message has been removed. [5/10/2017 4:53:22 PM] Jonas M: You won hoh #1 [5/10/2017 4:53:25 PM] Jonas M: And #4 [5/10/2017 4:53:30 PM] Jonas M: I won #2 and #5 [5/10/2017 4:54:13 PM] Jonas M: It was you, me/Gucci, Kaitlyn, Gucci, you, me [5/10/2017 4:54:34 PM] Jonas M: O sh*t u did give me the wrong doc fam [5/10/2017 4:54:37 PM] Jonas M: Rutheless [5/10/2017 4:55:24 PM | Removed 5/17/2017 2:51:32 PM] Sammy (SammySosaTV): This message has been removed. [5/10/2017 4:55:42 PM] Jonas M: Right but u changed it on the doc [5/10/2017 4:55:44 PM] Jonas M: Rutheless [5/10/2017 4:56:31 PM] Sammy (SammySosaTV): Believe me I have limits on my ruths [5/10/2017 4:56:43 PM] Jonas M: Nah I know for a fact I won before you now that I think about it [5/10/2017 4:56:55 PM] Jonas M: And looking at this document you made it clearly says you won you're 2nd before me Jonas put it best. I am definitely "rutheless". thx 4 the question ps shouts out to Vergi for still winning this regardless lmao
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Post by Gucci Mane on Jun 4, 2017 11:42:39 GMT -5
so Kristina you gonna answer my question or?
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Post by K on Jun 4, 2017 11:52:35 GMT -5
lol @ "This message has been removed." So, congrats on making it to the final 2. I'll keep it 100 and admit that I went into this expecting to vote for Sammy to win because of the cheating allegations but Kristina you cleared that up so thank you for that. Kristina- Aside from your social game, what else did you bring to the table that warrants you winning the game? Again congratulations to the both of you. Thank you Gucci Aside from social game, I think I made pretty strategic moves what helped me and my allies in the long run. Obviously my quick thinking to give second week HOH win to Jonas was one of them. After that I suggested him to talk to you, so you two can make decisions who to nominate together and from there it all started. Vevmo needed back then non-vevmo people on their side and getting Jonas was best thing for us. I just looked up how it all happened and it all happened in week 4, when you won Mystery Prize week. He was pissed at rumors what Kaitlyn said but little does everyone know, that rumor started from Raquel and I may have been more invovled in that then it first seemed. Plus you were HOH and we were thinking who to put in and I told to Jonas "oh sh*t, you may not be safe" making him bit paranoid and after that, he joined our alliance and we all know him joining us saved us. "No f*ck them. They started a rumor about me that I'm working with you guys already so like ya know what? They can go get f*cked, I was cool with you and Gucci before but I'll become an honorary vevmo member if y'all want me, I ain't taking no bullets for people that I 1) Don't even like. And 2) try to throw me under the bus when I'm not even around"Also every voteoff I was invovled somehow with who was going or who was going to get evicted. And my competitive perfornances were also part of my stategy. First couple of week I tried to compete, but more weeks went by I was getting safer and safer and I did not need to win because I knew I was in good place most of the time and I did not need extra target on my back or someone else needed win more than me (by one move). But at the end, when it counted the most I performed my best. Week when me and Dakota were in, I was only one who got all answers on POV right, I was slower than Vergi but still, I did my best. Following week I won HOH. I would have won probably that HOH after that too (what Jamie won) because I also had game chart and I actually had days on it Then it was already Finale HOH, when I killed part 1. I got 10k posts in endurance comp while my opponent here got 4k (I actually thought Gucci you are asking me how I got so much, I imagined you are interested ) and in part 3 I would have won if I did not change my answer. I knew I had to bring my A game in last couple of weeks and I think I did. I am most proud of my social game obivously, but I think I did pretty good strategic decisions too, I always thought few steps ahead and it all worked out.
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Post by K on Jun 4, 2017 11:53:47 GMT -5
so Kristina you gonna answer my question or? Sorry I was not on computer and I had trouble to understading the question
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