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Post by Jgrubl on Nov 14, 2017 18:44:22 GMT -5
I'm still trying to figure out why Rosita needed Eugene to make her a bullet but now there seems to be no shortage of ammo for anyone. It's supposed to be about 3 years into the ZA but there's still tons of firepower available throughout the land, not to mention a seemingly endless supply of viable gasoline for the cars that never seem to get a flat tire or need an oil change. I know I'm nitpicking these things but they make a point of showing us viewers how tough things are for the survivors (having to scrounge for even a sip of drinkable water or a morsel of food and they're trudging mile after mile on foot) but then they have weapons, ammo, enough food and medicine to keep everyone nourished and in amazingly good health, a fleet of assorted gassed-up vehicles at the ready, and the tools needed to outfit said vehicles with armor-plating capabilities. I just wish there'd be a little continuity in the situation because I want to focus all my attention on the storyline but these other things keep distracting me. All that said, I'll NEVER give up on this show because I'm hopelessly addicted and eagerly await each episode. Speaking of which, I saw the description for the November 19th episode and it looks like it might be Negan's backstory (or at least some portion of it). I'm excited for that because I can't figure out how he's managed to gain so much power over so many people when any one of them could easily take him out with a single bullet or a well-placed blow to the head. I'm very anxious to find out how he got that way so I'll gladly accept a lull in the artillery barrage to get some answers on that front. By the by, J, thanks for taking the time to reply to my posts. It's a lot more fun discussing a show with someone other than myself!! If we don't meet on this board for the rest of the week, hopefully we'll have something to talk about after the next episode. Have a great rest of the day. Yea I’ve been waitin for his backstory. I know fans don’t want to see it but I think it’s needed. Even if they showed bits and pieces here and there. Looks like Dwight might get figured out next week too.
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Post by dagr317 on Nov 14, 2017 19:34:34 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence with Dwight but I'm starting to believe he might actually be on the level... it's just so hard to trust any of the Saviors. I really hope that he and Sherry can somehow be reunited because it's heartbreaking what happened to them as a couple and to Dwight's face.
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Post by Jgrubl on Nov 14, 2017 20:41:04 GMT -5
I'm still on the fence with Dwight but I'm starting to believe he might actually be on the level... it's just so hard to trust any of the Saviors. I really hope that he and Sherry can somehow be reunited because it's heartbreaking what happened to them as a couple and to Dwight's face. Yea I doubt we will see her again and still waiting to see where they hell heath is
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Post by dagr317 on Nov 14, 2017 21:24:23 GMT -5
I've been wondering about Heath too. When I read online a few weeks ago that an "old familiar face" would be turning up soon, I immediately thought of Heath but I was glad to see Morales too (even for that very short time). I know that the actor who plays Heath left to do "24: Legacy" but that show folded quickly so I figured he'd be back on TWD and his absence would just be explained away by him being out on that run with Tara and him getting waylaid on the way back to Alexandria. Plenty of characters, even the "regular" ones, have gone missing for several episodes so it would be very easy to write him back into the action. The way things are going with this big "plan", I won't be at all surprised to see Heath turn up at the Sanctuary as yet another one of Negan's loyal subjects.
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Post by dagr317 on Nov 21, 2017 9:28:30 GMT -5
I never thought this would happen but on the November 19th episode, I actually preferred Negan to Rick!! Rick can't seem to decide if he wants to have a moral compass or if he doesn't. He had no qualms about sending his people into the outpost to murder people while they slept, even though he didn't have nearly enough information about the situation to make a decision like that. But now that a third of their "war party" has been destroyed and they've already botched a couple of attempts to take out Negan, Rick doesn't want to go into the Sanctuary guns ablazin' because there are workers there?! The people he thought nothing of murdering were also workers. And because of his own arrogant belief that he's the only one who knows how to do things, he wouldn't let Daryl have an opposing opinion and fought him, which resulted in them losing those boxes of munitions that they were so desperate to get in the first place (just like a fight with Jesus resulted in a truckful of supplies ending up submerged in a pond).
As much as I despise the way Negan screws with people's lives and feels completely justified in taking whatever he wants from whoever he wants, he's starting to make sense to me while Rick is just ticking me off. I'm still clinging to the hope that there really is a master plan but I'm dubious at this point. From the preview for this week, it looks like Rick is going back to the junkyard dogs who've already turned on him and beaten the holy hell out of the woman he loves. How can he possibly think that he can trust them after that? Or that one of his gung-ho speeches can persuade them to suddenly flip on Negan and join his side?
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Post by Jgrubl on Nov 21, 2017 12:38:47 GMT -5
Yea rick has to have a plan for him to go back to the scavengers. Don’t think he would unless he had something up his sleeve.
I actually don’t mind rick building a moral compass. I think it may forshawdow what may happen if he and Negan square off. May a say he may spare his life in order to show his people that Ricks group is good to join?
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Post by dagr317 on Nov 21, 2017 13:27:48 GMT -5
At this point, I do NOT want Negan to be spared. I want nothing more than to see him Lucille'd into a bloody pulp... turnabout is fair play, right? I doubt if any people who might want to join Rick's group would have an issue with Negan getting what's coming to him. In fact, if I were one of those people, I'd probably be a vapor trail away from Rick if he let that SOB live after everything he's done. I'd rather take my chances on my own or form another group than be with a group that allows someone who murdered their friends to live. I also can't believe that Maggie, who was the first one to say that they needed to get ready to fight the Saviors, would be okay with Rick sparing Negan... same goes for Rosita.
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Post by dagr317 on Dec 10, 2017 23:37:21 GMT -5
I didn't see that ending coming, although in hindsight I should have. The February 25th episode is going to be tough.
If I were part of the group, I'd want to get as far away from Rick as possible. Or, at the very least, NEVER let him make any decisions again. He's screwed up everything he's touched and this master plan he came up with couldn't have failed more miserably. And when he finally had a decent chance to do something right, why did he use the boring end of Lucille on Negan instead of the business end?!
If I didn't love this show so much, I wouldn't care about any of these things. All I know is that it's going to be a long 3 months waiting for it to start back up again.
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Post by Jgrubl on Dec 11, 2017 18:10:29 GMT -5
I didn't see that ending coming, although in hindsight I should have. The February 25th episode is going to be tough. If I were part of the group, I'd want to get as far away from Rick as possible. Or, at the very least, NEVER let him make any decisions again. He's screwed up everything he's touched and this master plan he came up with couldn't have failed more miserably. And when he finally had a decent chance to do something right, why did he use the boring end of Lucille on Negan instead of the business end?! If I didn't love this show so much, I wouldn't care about any of these things. All I know is that it's going to be a long 3 months waiting for it to start back up again. Technically, his plan for screwed up because Daryl, Tara, Rosita all went rogue and messed it up. Ricks plan was to face Negan 1 on 1. The others couldn’t be patient enough so I don’t blame rick. I don’t get why Carl got killed off. I know he was thinking of leaving the show for college but then he came out and said it wasn’t his decision it was writing a decision which if you know the comics Carl is a HUGE character moving forward so not sure why he would be killed off unless he wanted to leave the show...just doesn’t make sense imo
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Post by dagr317 on Dec 12, 2017 5:38:39 GMT -5
I'm not that familiar with the comics (I've only managed to read the first 30 or so issues online) but I'm aware that the show doesn't always stick to them. For instance, the Carol in the comics is light years different than show Carol (thank God... I can't even imagine show Carol happily feeding herself to a walker!) and I read that Andrea was in the comics until just a few issues ago as opposed to show Andrea being killed off in Season 3 (or was it 4?) As for Carl, he's had a few good episodes (most notably the one right after the group had to leave the prison and Rick was almost dead) but lately, he's been relegated to staying home and babysitting Judith while the others go out and do stuff. Carl is/was more than capable of taking on some of that responsibility and I was glad to see him take that initiative against Negan (although it was a pretty stupid thing to do). Even though Rick has said that Carl is a man now, he's still treated him like a little kid who needs to have the entire world around him child-proofed to protect him. Rick should have listened to Carl more.
I just read an article online about Chandler Riggs' father being ticked off about this decision and saying he never trusted Scott Gimple or AMC. However, the article also stated that a few months ago, the dad was on social media alluding to Chandler leaving the show and even using "#freedom" on that message. So it's hard to believe that this was a big shock to Chandler, his family, and the other cast members. Even though it's hard to lose major cast members, I love the fact that TWD isn't afraid to kill them off when it's important to the story (even though I still can't get Hershel's death out of my mind). Since you say that Carl is a such a major character in the comics even now, I have to assume that the show knows what it's doing. Maybe Judith (who I know died shortly after her birth in the comics) will replace Carl on the show as the one to carry on the Grimes legacy.
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Post by Jgrubl on Dec 12, 2017 18:31:14 GMT -5
I'm not that familiar with the comics (I've only managed to read the first 30 or so issues online) but I'm aware that the show doesn't always stick to them. For instance, the Carol in the comics is light years different than show Carol (thank God... I can't even imagine show Carol happily feeding herself to a walker!) and I read that Andrea was in the comics until just a few issues ago as opposed to show Andrea being killed off in Season 3 (or was it 4?) As for Carl, he's had a few good episodes (most notably the one right after the group had to leave the prison and Rick was almost dead) but lately, he's been relegated to staying home and babysitting Judith while the others go out and do stuff. Carl is/was more than capable of taking on some of that responsibility and I was glad to see him take that initiative against Negan (although it was a pretty stupid thing to do). Even though Rick has said that Carl is a man now, he's still treated him like a little kid who needs to have the entire world around him child-proofed to protect him. Rick should have listened to Carl more. I just read an article online about Chandler Riggs' father being ticked off about this decision and saying he never trusted Scott Gimple or AMC. However, the article also stated that a few months ago, the dad was on social media alluding to Chandler leaving the show and even using "#freedom" on that message. So it's hard to believe that this was a big shock to Chandler, his family, and the other cast members. Even though it's hard to lose major cast members, I love the fact that TWD isn't afraid to kill them off when it's important to the story (even though I still can't get Hershel's death out of my mind). Since you say that Carl is a such a major character in the comics even now, I have to assume that the show knows what it's doing. Maybe Judith (who I know died shortly after her birth in the comics) will replace Carl on the show as the one to carry on the Grimes legacy. Yea someone will take is role maybe Enid or Judith like you mentioned. They could go with Daryl since he’s not in the comic.
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Post by dagr317 on Feb 26, 2018 9:07:07 GMT -5
Did anyone else watch the return of the show last night? I'm still surprised that Carl's gone because I fully expected him to be the last man standing when the final episode of the show airs (whenever that might be). I was really... I mean REALLY... hoping that his final gift to everyone would be that he'd put Negan out of everyone's misery before he checked out but I guess he's got a utopian vision of the future and, with his dying breath, urged Rick to make it happen. At least we know who was having those looks into the future (I thought it was Rick) but I'm not at all happy that in Carl's mind, Negan is an integral part of that future. He DID see what Negan did to Abraham and Glenn, right?
I really enjoyed Ezekiel when he first arrived on the show but I've grown weary of his Shakespearean remarks and his unwillingness to actually do anything. He had his hands on a loaded gun and had a clear shot to take out the guy who was planning to kill him, yet he let that guy just limp on by him without firing a shot. The guy was already hobbled from being shot in the leg and Ezekiel could have easily finished him off but didn't even try. And Morgan is a bit of a mystery to me... for quite a while, we had to endure his "All life is precious" preachings to everyone but now he's a stick-wielding killing machine who has no qualms about ripping out a man's intestines. I'm fine with that but I couldn't understand why he allowed Carol, a damn good killing machine herself, and the cowardly Ezekiel talk him out of finishing off Gavin. Since when does Carol care about letting any of the Saviors live?! I know we viewers are supposed to be outraged by what Henry did but I'm not. That kid seems to know what's going on and he's learned from Morgan and Carol so what was he supposed to do?
Going forward with the rest of Season 8, I really hope that Rick doesn't fall apart at the loss of Carl. He needs to keep his wits about him because Negan's already too powerful and evidently unkillable. If the Grimes Group is going to get through this without losing a lot more of their dwindling crew, they need all hands on deck. For better or worse, everyone looks to Rick as their leader and he can't afford to let down his guard now. Come on, Rick, do it for Carl.
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Post by tylerlovestyler3 on Feb 28, 2018 12:40:26 GMT -5
Did anyone else watch the return of the show last night? I'm still surprised that Carl's gone because I fully expected him to be the last man standing when the final episode of the show airs (whenever that might be). I was really... I mean REALLY... hoping that his final gift to everyone would be that he'd put Negan out of everyone's misery before he checked out but I guess he's got a utopian vision of the future and, with his dying breath, urged Rick to make it happen. At least we know who was having those looks into the future (I thought it was Rick) but I'm not at all happy that in Carl's mind, Negan is an integral part of that future. He DID see what Negan did to Abraham and Glenn, right? I really enjoyed Ezekiel when he first arrived on the show but I've grown weary of his Shakespearean remarks and his unwillingness to actually do anything. He had his hands on a loaded gun and had a clear shot to take out the guy who was planning to kill him, yet he let that guy just limp on by him without firing a shot. The guy was already hobbled from being shot in the leg and Ezekiel could have easily finished him off but didn't even try. And Morgan is a bit of a mystery to me... for quite a while, we had to endure his "All life is precious" preachings to everyone but now he's a stick-wielding killing machine who has no qualms about ripping out a man's intestines. I'm fine with that but I couldn't understand why he allowed Carol, a damn good killing machine herself, and the cowardly Ezekiel talk him out of finishing off Gavin. Since when does Carol care about letting any of the Saviors live?! I know we viewers are supposed to be outraged by what Henry did but I'm not. That kid seems to know what's going on and he's learned from Morgan and Carol so what was he supposed to do? Going forward with the rest of Season 8, I really hope that Rick doesn't fall apart at the loss of Carl. He needs to keep his wits about him because Negan's already too powerful and evidently unkillable. If the Grimes Group is going to get through this without losing a lot more of their dwindling crew, they need all hands on deck. For better or worse, everyone looks to Rick as their leader and he can't afford to let down his guard now. Come on, Rick, do it for Carl. I did and along with the casuals / teeny boppers I’m pissed about Carl. I’m also pissed that just when we get a good character back on screen ( Morgan ) they’re shipping him off to fear the walking dead. This new Morgan has walking dead season 1-3 vibes. He’s a walking badass who gives no f*cks.
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Post by dagr317 on Mar 5, 2018 8:50:29 GMT -5
I don't think I can bear hearing Rick keep saying to Negan "I'm gonna kill you" because he's had several chances up to now and hasn't come anywhere close to even touching Negan. I've already resigned myself to Negan not being killed and probably being worked into Carl's peaches-and-cream vision of what the future could be. I have no idea how people like Maggie, Rosita, and Daryl are going to take to that arrangement but if I were them, I'd say bye-bye to Rick and set out on my own. How many screw-ups is it going to take for everyone to finally see that Rick is not a leader and his big plans never work out? As much as it sticks in my throat to say this, Negan had a better take on things in last night's episode than Rick did. Negan seemed genuinely sad about Carl's death and he was right to point out that Rick, while maybe not fully responsible, definitely played a part in Carl's demise. If Rick had reined in his ego a little bit here and there, he might have seen that Carl had some good ideas and some of the crap they're dealing with right now could have been avoided.
I don't know whether to root for Simon or not. I love that he's standing up to Negan (about time someone did) but that certainly doesn't bode well for his longevity. If anyone could take out Negan, I think it would be Simon but like I said, he's most likely going to feel the business end of Lucille once Negan found out what he did to the Scavengers.
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