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Post by briqsquad on Oct 5, 2013 0:00:56 GMT -5
When it comes to strategy Johnny is the leader in the group. Kenny even admitted it. Wes and evelyn also said that johnny is really smart when it comes to strategic gameplay
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2013 10:06:16 GMT -5
When it comes to strategy Johnny is the leader in the group. Kenny even admitted it. Wes and evelyn also said that johnny is really smart when it comes to strategic gameplay What do words mean when their actions show who's the real leader?
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Post by Jhonmarco on Oct 5, 2013 10:29:14 GMT -5
Evelyn calling Johnny the leader on the Island was more about him being the more outspoken/douchy one. Johnny's always been on the outs, see him getting called into a Gauntlet and getting sent home, getting called into a Ruins, or going into the last males Jungle.
A part of me is dying giving Kenny credit, but still.
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Post by jsmith33317 on Oct 5, 2013 12:37:45 GMT -5
I agree, Johnny usually gets the short end of the stick in the JEK alliance. Kenny and Evan have said before that they find him annoying.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 1:17:05 GMT -5
Best social player all-time is without a doubt Kenny. Darrell, Mark, and Evan then follow him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2013 4:59:26 GMT -5
Best social player all-time is without a doubt Kenny. Darrell, Mark, and Evan then follow him. You mean for males? I think Coral is the best social player period.
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Post by briqsquad on Dec 2, 2013 1:03:55 GMT -5
Best social player all-time is without a doubt Kenny. Darrell, Mark, and Evan then follow him. Mark Long has a phenomenal social game. I know he's really well respected and whatever but he never goes in... Kenny needs either Evan, Johnny, or derrick to be completely safe. On Fm2 he would have been thrown in every single time if it werent for Laurel. Mark never gets thrown in. I think Mark has a valid case for being the best male social player. I also don't think Evans social game is that good. He got called out on the duel 2 three times I think? I think Theo V has a better social game than Evan
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2013 1:13:26 GMT -5
Mark doesn't get called out because everyone respects him as the god father also because he's a great competitor. The people who called Evan out were on the bottom of the totem pole and wanted to win or lose against the best(people kept saying this even though we all know he's not the best).
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Post by briqsquad on Dec 2, 2013 1:23:19 GMT -5
I agree, but Mark still has a great social game. I guess Kenny is better because that's basically all he has. Evan got called out because they didn't like him and he's shady. If that were Theo, Darrell, Kenny, or Timmy they probably wouldn't have been called out... maybe Kenny because he's more beatable.
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Post by briqsquad on Mar 1, 2014 20:29:48 GMT -5
New top ten
1. Mark Long 2. Johnny Bananas 3. Coral 4. Emily Bailey 5. Kenny Santucci 6. Susie 6. Theo.Von 8. Darrell 9. Veronica 10. Tori
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 20:53:21 GMT -5
I think the greatest challenge players list shouldn't be co-gender in my opinion.
Best social player all time: Kenny.
Best political player all time: Evan perhaps.
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Post by briqsquad on Mar 1, 2014 21:34:29 GMT -5
I think the greatest challenge players list shouldn't be co-gender in my opinion. Best social player all time: Kenny. Best political player all time: Evan perhaps. Why? Susie, Coral, and Emily B. have manipulated male dominant teams and have been successful. I think Coral had a better social game than Kenny and Susie ran politics better than Evan (see ruins)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 21:39:24 GMT -5
I based it off three key components: Basic Stats, Political/Social Game, Competitions.
Statistics are the simple: challenge wins, challenge finals, duration in challenges, elimination record, and strength of elimination wins. Pretty much what the challengers go off of when discussing whose the best.
Competitions are basically where they rank amongst each other in the greatest competitors lists we made.
01) Landon Lueck, TOTAL: 28 Basic Stats: 9.5 (has won three of four seasons, won three of four finals, lost in the very last elimination in D2, and is 5-1 in elimination rounds. This could be a 10 as well) Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 10
02) Kenny Santucci, TOTAL: 27.5 Basic Stats: 9.5 Social/Political: 10 Competitions: 7
03) Mike Mizanin, TOTAL: 27.5 Basic Stats: 9 Social/Political: 9.5 Competitions: 9
04) Mark Long, TOTAL: 27.5 *loses credibility amongst others for handing over season wins* Basic Stats: 8 (0-1 in eliminations, as well as one of his 2 wins coming off a non-elimination season) Social/Political: 9.5 Competitions: 10
05) Dan Setzler, TOTAL: 27 Basic Stats: 8 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 10
06) Theo Von, TOTAL: 27 Basic Stats: 8 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 10
07) Evan Starkman, TOTAL: 27 Basic Stats: 8.5 Social/Political: 9.5 Competitions: 9
08) Derrick Kosinski, TOTAL: 27 Basic Stats: 9 Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 9.5
09) Johnny Bananas, TOTAL: 26 Basic Stats: 9 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 8
10) Darrell Taylor, TOTAL: 26 Basic Stats: 9.5 Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 8
11) Abram Boise, TOTAL: 26 Basic Stats: 8.5 Social/Political: 8 Competitions: 9.5
12) Brad Fiorenza, TOTAL: 26 Basic Stats: 7.5 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 9.5
13) Jamie Murray, TOTAL: 26 Basic Stats: 9 (competed in 2 non elimination seasons and a G3, no elimination rounds, not as perfect as you think it is) Social/Political: 8 Competitions: 9
14) C.T. Tamburello, TOTAL: 25.5 Basic Stats: 7 (tarnished by his DQ's and only one win in 9 seasons) Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 10
15) Alton Williams, TOTAL: 24 Basic Stats: 8 Social/Political: 8 Competitions: 8
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 21:40:22 GMT -5
I think the greatest challenge players list shouldn't be co-gender in my opinion. Best social player all time: Kenny. Best political player all time: Evan perhaps. Why? Susie, Coral, and Emily B. have manipulated male dominant teams and have been successful. I think Coral had a better social game than Kenny and Susie ran politics better than Evan (see ruins) I'm going to stick to making separate lists (male and female).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 21:51:30 GMT -5
I think the greatest challenge players list shouldn't be co-gender in my opinion. Best social player all time: Kenny. Best political player all time: Evan perhaps. Why? Susie, Coral, and Emily B. have manipulated male dominant teams and have been successful. I think Coral had a better social game than Kenny and Susie ran politics better than Evan (see ruins)Coral does not have a better social game than Kenny, I mean twice was she thrown in by her bestfriend the Miz into an elimination in two different seasons (Gauntlet and Inferno).
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Post by briqsquad on Mar 1, 2014 22:25:34 GMT -5
I based it off three key components: Basic Stats, Political/Social Game, Competitions. Statistics are the simple: challenge wins, challenge finals, duration in challenges, elimination record, and strength of elimination wins. Pretty much what the challengers go off of when discussing whose the best. Competitions are basically where they rank amongst each other in the greatest competitors lists we made. 01) Landon Lueck, TOTAL: 28Basic Stats: 9.5 (has won three of four seasons, won three of four finals, lost in the very last elimination in D2, and is 5-1 in elimination rounds. This could be a 10 as well) Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 10 02) Kenny Santucci, TOTAL: 27.5Basic Stats: 9.5 Social/Political: 10 Competitions: 7 03) Mike Mizanin, TOTAL: 27.5Basic Stats: 9 Social/Political: 9.5 Competitions: 9 04) Mark Long, TOTAL: 27.5*loses credibility amongst others for handing over season wins* Basic Stats: 8 (0-1 in eliminations, as well as one of his 2 wins coming off a non-elimination season) Social/Political: 9.5 Competitions: 10 05) Dan Setzler, TOTAL: 27Basic Stats: 8 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 10 06) Theo Von, TOTAL: 27Basic Stats: 8 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 10 07) Evan Starkman, TOTAL: 27Basic Stats: 8.5 Social/Political: 9.5 Competitions: 9 08) Derrick Kosinski, TOTAL: 27Basic Stats: 9 Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 9.5 09) Johnny Bananas, TOTAL: 26Basic Stats: 9 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 8 10) Darrell Taylor, TOTAL: 26Basic Stats: 9.5 Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 8 11) Abram Boise, TOTAL: 26Basic Stats: 8.5 Social/Political: 8 Competitions: 9.5 12) Brad Fiorenza, TOTAL: 26Basic Stats: 7.5 Social/Political: 9 Competitions: 9.5 13) Jamie Murray, TOTAL: 26Basic Stats: 9 (competed in 2 non elimination seasons and a G3, no elimination rounds, not as perfect as you think it is) Social/Political: 8 Competitions: 9 14) C.T. Tamburello, TOTAL: 25.5Basic Stats: 7 (tarnished by his DQ's and only one win in 9 seasons) Social/Political: 8.5 Competitions: 10 15) Alton Williams, TOTAL: 24Basic Stats: 8 Social/Political: 8 Competitions: 8 so strategy does not count? I don't agree with this system. How can Landon be number one? He made a terrible strategic move in duel 2 by leaving the room and getting the hat and in Fm2 he was thrown in 2 tor 3 times and was bottom of the totem pole. I think competitions social/ political and strategy are the main components. Social and strategy should be weighted heavier than competitions and wins but they should still contribute. IMO Social/Political and strategy>Wins>Physical. Just read that it was your opinion. My bad your good. You should still include strategy
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Post by briqsquad on Mar 1, 2014 22:31:06 GMT -5
Why? Susie, Coral, and Emily B. have manipulated male dominant teams and have been successful. I think Coral had a better social game than Kenny and Susie ran politics better than Evan (see ruins)Coral does not have a better social game than Kenny, I mean twice was she thrown in by her bestfriend the Miz into an elimination in two different seasons (Gauntlet and Inferno).Coral was never thrown in the Inferno. Coral was the worst performer on the team at that point and single handedly lost that mission. Miz being a winner did what he had to do. No one would have gotten out of that situation. She came back and convinced the team to throw in Theo G who was a way better competitor than Coral. She still made it to the final by easily being the worst competitor on her team and only having to go in once in the elimination round throughout the the entire show.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 22:31:41 GMT -5
Strategy relates to political game. Reason why I said Evan is perhaps the best political player because his strategies.
And Landon leaving the room was more of a smart move by Evan (the greatest political move in challenge history). I don't think you can discredit Landon for that.
And wins and finals appearances are important.
I agree that competitions shouldn't have much of a say when it comes to ranking greatest challenge players.
It should be:
Basic Stats / out of 20 Social Political Game / out of 20 Competitions / out of 10
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 22:32:33 GMT -5
Coral does not have a better social game than Kenny, I mean twice was she thrown in by her bestfriend the Miz into an elimination in two different seasons (Gauntlet and Inferno).Coral was never thrown in the Inferno. Coral was the worst performer on the team at that point and single handedly lost that mission. Miz being a winner did what he had to do. No one would have gotten out of that situation. She came back and convinced the team to throw in Theo G who was a way better competitor than Coral. She still made it to the final by easily being the worst competitor on her team and only having to go in once in the elimination round throughout the the entire show. She was nominated because the team threw her in, but she saved herself by winning the lifeshield.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2014 22:35:50 GMT -5
I should make it more clear though. Strategy relates to the "house part" of the challenges. So I was taking strategies into account in the social/political game component.
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