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Post by Nate on Dec 3, 2015 16:23:58 GMT -5
Poor guy. You can tell he really loves this game. The thing about his dad was really nice too.
Also, I wonder if he gets it yet...like why he gets voted out when he does. Like bruh, if you get a third chance, stop f*cking winning challenges.
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Post by Nate on Dec 3, 2015 16:26:27 GMT -5
sh*t sorry for posting so much, but the title of next episode is "Villains have more fun" f*ck YES PLS GIVE ME MORE ABI DRAMA
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Post by Jhonmarco on Dec 3, 2015 16:49:27 GMT -5
Eh I actually found the moment with Spencer and his gf really sweet and endearing. From what I know, they've been together for like a year or so.
Also Joe kinda was f*cked to begin with, his reputation was very fresh in people's minds. His hands were kinda tied imo.
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Post by Jgrubl on Dec 3, 2015 19:07:12 GMT -5
I think we will see Joe back potentially for an all stars season but tbh I don't see him cutting back on winning
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Post by Lan on Dec 3, 2015 20:00:42 GMT -5
I think Joe's just screwed on reputation alone. Unless he manages to really change his image, I think he'll always be voted out for being a threat.
And about the men's alliance thing: I suppose it is true that most men bond more with the other men, but generally there's at least one or two women, even in a male-dominated alliance. I suppose the image of a women's alliance feels more empowering, whereas a men's alliance sounds kinda douchey.
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Post by Nate on Dec 3, 2015 20:09:04 GMT -5
He's screwed now. But he wasn't pre-Cambodia. He's a great guy for sure, but he's not a very good player. He still doesn't seem to get what he did wrong, which is weird cuz he's such a fan of Survivor.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 20:25:57 GMT -5
He's screwed now. But he wasn't pre-Cambodia. He's a great guy for sure, but he's not a very good player. He still doesn't seem to get what he did wrong, which is weird cuz he's such a fan of Survivor. put yourself in his shoes. He's in a real Sophie's choice where his image makes him a threat, so he can't throw comps and be perceived as "beatable" or else they will take that shot and get him out. He HAS to win or else he goes eventually.
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Post by Jgrubl on Dec 3, 2015 20:32:55 GMT -5
yeah Stan stole the words from my mouth. At this point, and even this season, he couldn't change because coming in Fishbach even said he wanted him out day 1 because of how big of a challenge threat he is. If he does come back, which i believe he will, it'll be hard to not throw challenges but then again if its all stars everyone will be a threat so he will have some wiggle room
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 20:35:10 GMT -5
yeah Stan stole the words from my mouth. At this point, and even this season, he couldn't change because coming in Fishbach even said he wanted him out day 1 because of how big of a challenge threat he is. If he does come back, which i believe he will, it'll be hard to not throw challenges but then again if its all stars everyone will be a threat so he will have some wiggle room This season was basically all stars
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Post by Coke on Dec 3, 2015 20:39:04 GMT -5
Hopefully the next time Joe comes back is a few years from now and he has time to really think about how he could do better strategically and less better physically. Honestly, he had to go in guns a-blazing at the merge because of how recent his season was. Do I think he'll ever win? Probably not. But do I think he could have a better showing on a 3rd time out? Absolutely. I grew to like Joe a lot more than I did last season. I mean yeah he was kinda cool last year but he wasn't on Rodney, Jenn, Shirin, or Mike's levels as far as characters go. He still was kind of the same old golden boy this time around but I got to see a lot more of his thought process, which impressed me.
I'm also super excited for Kimmi. IDK how someone can go from being one of my least favorite contestants ever in their first season to now one of my favorite underdogs this season.
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Post by Jhonmarco on Dec 3, 2015 20:42:08 GMT -5
Hopefully the next time Joe comes back is a few years from now and he has time to really think about how he could do better strategically and less better physically. Honestly, he had to go in guns a-blazing at the merge because of how recent his season was. Do I think he'll ever win? Probably not. But do I think he could have a better showing on a 3rd time out? Absolutely. I grew to like Joe a lot more than I did last season. I mean yeah he was kinda cool last year but he wasn't on Rodney, Jenn, Shirin, or Mike's levels as far as characters go. He still was kind of the same old golden boy this time around but I got to see a lot more of his thought process, which impressed me. I'm also super excited for Kimmi. IDK how someone can go from being one of my least favorite contestants ever in their first season to now one of my favorite underdogs this season. Agreed with all of this. I feel like they might try and make Kimmi a contender, but too little too late now.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 20:56:02 GMT -5
Hopefully the next time Joe comes back is a few years from now and he has time to really think about how he could do better strategically and less better physically. Honestly, he had to go in guns a-blazing at the merge because of how recent his season was. Do I think he'll ever win? Probably not. But do I think he could have a better showing on a 3rd time out? Absolutely. I grew to like Joe a lot more than I did last season. I mean yeah he was kinda cool last year but he wasn't on Rodney, Jenn, Shirin, or Mike's levels as far as characters go. He still was kind of the same old golden boy this time around but I got to see a lot more of his thought process, which impressed me. I'm also super excited for Kimmi. IDK how someone can go from being one of my least favorite contestants ever in their first season to now one of my favorite underdogs this season. Agreed with all of this. I feel like they might try and make Kimmi a contender, but too little too late now. It's never too late for this...
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Post by Nate on Dec 3, 2015 21:15:36 GMT -5
He really didn't have to go hard in challenges you guys. He could have either gone hard and hoped to get as far as he could by winning challenges, or he could have tried to lay low or even fake an injury. One way, he doesn't win because even if he makes finals by winning every round, he wouldn't get the win that way unless he was against idiots. The other way, he has a decent shot at making it to the end because people aren't always worried about him winning challenges. It's not nearly as clear cut as some of you seem to be assuming. He could have slipped by longer without immunities.
But I don't think Joe ever played to win. He always played to get decently far/to the loved ones. It's almost like he came in knowing he wouldn't win, both times.
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Post by Helen of Troy on Dec 3, 2015 21:16:27 GMT -5
yeah Stan stole the words from my mouth. At this point, and even this season, he couldn't change because coming in Fishbach even said he wanted him out day 1 because of how big of a challenge threat he is. If he does come back, which i believe he will, it'll be hard to not throw challenges but then again if its all stars everyone will be a threat so he will have some wiggle room This was pretty close to an all-star season and he didn't have very much wiggle room if any at all
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 21:18:13 GMT -5
He really didn't have to go hard in challenges you guys. He could have either gone hard and hoped to get as far as he could by winning challenges, or he could have tried to lay low or even fake an injury. One way, he doesn't win because even if he makes finals by winning every round, he wouldn't get the win that way unless he was against idiots. The other way, he has a decent shot at making it to the end because people aren't always worried about him winning challenges. It's not nearly as clear cut as some of you seem to be assuming. He could have slipped by longer without immunities. But I don't think Joe ever played to win. He always played to get decently far/to the loved ones. It's almost like he came in knowing he wouldn't win, both times. are you calling the jury idiots in worlds apart for giving the win to Mike? He won out to stay safe
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Post by Nate on Dec 3, 2015 21:24:14 GMT -5
He really didn't have to go hard in challenges you guys. He could have either gone hard and hoped to get as far as he could by winning challenges, or he could have tried to lay low or even fake an injury. One way, he doesn't win because even if he makes finals by winning every round, he wouldn't get the win that way unless he was against idiots. The other way, he has a decent shot at making it to the end because people aren't always worried about him winning challenges. It's not nearly as clear cut as some of you seem to be assuming. He could have slipped by longer without immunities. But I don't think Joe ever played to win. He always played to get decently far/to the loved ones. It's almost like he came in knowing he wouldn't win, both times. are you calling the jury idiots in worlds apart for giving the win to Mike? He won out to stay safe He also had one of, if not the best social games of the entire cast up until then and was also smart strategically. Let's also remember how much heart he had. I think that had a big part of why people wanted him to win as well. Also he had his back against the wall, while Joe came in acting like he had his back against the wall when that wasn't necessarily the case yet.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 21:28:29 GMT -5
are you calling the jury idiots in worlds apart for giving the win to Mike? He won out to stay safe He also had one of, if not the best social games of the entire cast up until then and was also smart strategically. Let's also remember how much heart he had. I think that had a big part of why people wanted him to win as well. Also he had his back against the wall, while Joe came in acting like he had his back against the wall when that wasn't necessarily the case yet. joe had so much heart he pushed himself to exhaustion yet no one respected that. His social game was also developing pre/post merge with building huts, never having to go to tribal until merge, and surviving that first tribal after losing his streak.
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Post by Jhonmarco on Dec 3, 2015 21:29:15 GMT -5
Mike was well liked, but he was only able to navigate strategically because he always had immunity or an idol.
I still would say Joe was kinda f*cked to begin with. It's a huge risk to throw challenges with how fresh his reputation was in WA or even fake an injury.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2015 21:29:34 GMT -5
Yeah. With how dominate Mike was Joe could have just played it up like his cast was terrible at challenges. Kinda like how Tom/Briq/I won 90% of the challenges in Tonga but couldn't win anything vs actual challenge competitors. He was literally on Bayon telling people he's the biggest challenge threat. I liked Joe for what he was but he could have layed a lot lower and not been voted out for being a challenge threat.
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Post by Joey on Dec 3, 2015 22:28:09 GMT -5
I hope Joe never comes back. There I said it.
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