Phil
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Post by Phil on Feb 23, 2014 0:24:57 GMT -5
also holy sh*t you guys DIDNT throw those challenges? you were THAT bad? HOLY sh*t!!!!!!!!!
eta: i'm pretty sure on one of those, half of our tribe threw and we still won.
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Post by Jhonmarco on Feb 23, 2014 0:46:53 GMT -5
So like I've been saying we (myself, Outlast, Tre, Stan) don't have strong friendships with the other 6 and we haven't played 9849595 forum games together. Maybe for the 8th season of Survivor, we'll have better luck. You just played a sloppy game and came up with some crazy ideas. Uhhhh yeah not really. |
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Post by Dewie890 on Feb 23, 2014 0:48:30 GMT -5
You just played a sloppy game and came up with some crazy ideas. Uhhhh yeah not really. I think the fact that you guys split the vote on the first TC when you guys seemed to know we were all aligned was pretty crazy. |
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Post by Nate on Feb 23, 2014 0:50:02 GMT -5
Okay no more...wait till the reunion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 0:50:45 GMT -5
I think the fact that you guys split the vote on the first TC when you guys seemed to know we were all aligned was pretty crazy. Read my confessional and you will know I agree with your post |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 0:51:05 GMT -5
I don't think he played a sloppy game… I just think he genuinely thought that Kaitlyn and I weren't with you guys
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Post by Jhonmarco on Feb 23, 2014 0:51:13 GMT -5
Okay no more...wait till the reunion. Ooops, deleted my post then. My bad. |
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Post by Phil on Feb 23, 2014 1:02:48 GMT -5
OK I will speak! First of all, I want to thank Gabe for referring to me by my proper title, PhilGod, in Ponderosa. I'm not sure where Jon and Dewie's subnics/statuses/whatever come from, but someone needs to give them a reality check! BUT ANYWAY
So, before we begin I just want to kindly remind everyone to pull their dicks out of eachothers asses and stop pulling the "we got here together" crap because we're all over that and at this point you're playing for yourself, not for your stupid alliance.
Alright, also Jon I don't know what your strategy is for this FTC. Is this Dewie/Jon vs Ashley? Are you playing for you or are you playing for Dewie? I also just wanted to comment on your opening statement, which Outlast has already so kindly pointed out was pretty crappy. You berate the voted out players and other jurors for not breaking up your alliance (EVEN THOUGH HI MY NAME IS PHIL AND I'M PRETTY SURE I BROKE UP THAT ALLIANCE, AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT). So, you're basically calling us idiots for allowing your alliance to take control, yet you sit here at the final three, quite possibly the most irrelevant person ever, and act like you're not an idiot for allowing Dewie and Ashley to steamroll this TC? Its between those two. How does that make you better than any of us? It's not like there's any prize money, so getting 3rd vs getting 4th is not really a big deal. Well, anyway, basically I just want to know what your strategy is for this FTC because you can't seem to separate yourself from your alliance.
I'm going to pretty much ask the same question to both Dewie and Ashley. So Dewie we started an alliance like round 2 after I kicked your butt at geography. When you wanted to work with me at that point, I assumed it was a blatant attempt to pick a random fan and try to work with them, especially when you tried to rope me and Gabriela into an alliance with you. WAT THE f*ck LOL. So, I want to know why you picked me to try to work with.
Ashley, I think we started talking one-on-one during the first round of the game, and we had a separate "long-term agreement" without Dewie even before the tribal swap. Again, I wanted to know why you decided to choose me to try to work with.
My OTHER question to both Ashley and Dewie is that I want to know what you think I value as a juror when deciding the winner of a game like this. If you had planned to go to the end with your alliance, you would have known that I would be on the jury. So you HAD to have an idea about how I would vote. I want to know your thought process behind your alliance/fake alliance/whatever it was with me, and how you assessed MY VALUES AS A JUROR (not your values about what you think makes a worthy winner). So, I just want to clarify that I want your thoughts about what I look for in a winner, and how you played that game to meet those values to earn my vote in the end. Remember, this is less about your values and more about mine because I get to vote and you don't.
Also, this goes to both Dewie/Ashley again. Do you expect me to vote for you? Why or why not?
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Post by Dewie890 on Feb 23, 2014 1:29:43 GMT -5
I'm not sure where Jon and Dewie's subnics/statuses/whatever come from, but someone needs to give them a reality check! BUT ANYWAY I'm going to pretty much ask the same question to both Dewie and Ashley. So Dewie we started an alliance like round 2 after I kicked your butt at geography. When you wanted to work with me at that point, I assumed it was a blatant attempt to pick a random fan and try to work with them, especially when you tried to rope me and Gabriela into an alliance with you. WAT THE f*ck LOL. So, I want to know why you picked me to try to work with. My OTHER question to both Ashley and Dewie is that I want to know what you think I value as a juror when deciding the winner of a game like this. If you had planned to go to the end with your alliance, you would have known that I would be on the jury. So you HAD to have an idea about how I would vote. I want to know your thought process behind your alliance/fake alliance/whatever it was with me, and how you assessed MY VALUES AS A JUROR (not your values about what you think makes a worthy winner). So, I just want to clarify that I want your thoughts about what I look for in a winner, and how you played that game to meet those values to earn my vote in the end. Remember, this is less about your values and more about mine because I get to vote and you don't. Also, this goes to both Dewie/Ashley again. Do you expect me to vote for you? Why or why not? Alright Phillip lets see here. First my status is great and needs no update. No for real though I am not that cocky, I call myself great for fun... could be because of my obsession with Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson who refers to himself as the great one. Moving on. After you thoroughly manhandled me in our geography face-off I wanted to align with you because I saw how good of a competitor you were. As a competitor, I like to align with people who are good at missions (I guess not in this game looking at my alliance, but usually I like people who can turn it up on missions). So, I respected you as a competitor and contacted you shortly after our faceoff to feel you out a little bit. I think my other choice was Gabriela just because she was on the site for a while before the game started so I was thinking maybe she would not be so in with the other fans. When you rejected the idea I was fine with it because you seemed cool and I valued your opinion of her. After talking with you, I felt like you were someone I could work with long term so I was excited that we got on the same tribe after the tribe swap. Your OTHER question now. As far as my original alliance, in my mind I would have taken you to the end over Jon or Kaitlyn.. Kenny and Ashley were the two people that I would have never gone against. Now you are probably saying "WTF, you voted me out and took Jon". This is true, and the reason I ultimately did not take you to the end over Jon was that I found out you were confiding more in Ashley near the end and I did not like that since I thought we were boys in the game (and I still hope we are boys outside of the game). With all of that being said, I think that you value loyalty as a juror since you mentioned to me multiple times that you played these games for fun and to make it to the end with people that you like. To sum up, you are looking for loyalty in a winner and I did not play the game I did in order to trick you into thinking I am a certain way, as I said. At the time of the alliance forming I would have taken you all the way to final 4, and then assuming that kenny and ash werent there with me, I would have taken you all the way... I did not form the alliance with betraying you later in mind. I honestly do not expect you to vote for me. I know that you trusted me and told me that you were taking me to final 2 (how true this is idk since I guess you were sharing more information with Ashley than you were with me) but regardless I genuinely feel bad that I had to vote you out in the end.. As it has been stated I do not play the game this way but felt betrayed by you. I would love for you vote, but I am not going to expect it. |
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Post by Phil on Feb 23, 2014 1:39:31 GMT -5
for the record, the only reason why i told ashley i had the idol is because i kept pestering her about the original chie idol becuase i f*ckING KNEW SHE HAD IT. Everything she every said just screamed "I have the idol but I'm not saying anything". Even after I kept pestering her, she would not reveal that she had the idol, so I finally dropped the hint that I would play the idol on her to get Kenny out, which prompted her to admit that she had the second idol.
I could have easily played my idol on Kenny and voted you out to secure my dominance in the final challenge, but I was pretty set on going to the F3 with you and Ashley partly because that's just what I wanted, and partly because I figured I could win. i didn't "confide" in Ashley with regards to my idol for the purpose of being her buddy. I needed her to confirm my suspicion that she did indeed have the idol.
I knew you weren't all idiots. The idols were easy to find, and in fact I found two, its just that Shorty got to the first one before me, lolz.
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Post by Dewie890 on Feb 23, 2014 1:49:12 GMT -5
for the record, the only reason why i told ashley i had the idol is because i kept pestering her about the original chie idol becuase i f*ckING KNEW SHE HAD IT. Everything she every said just screamed "I have the idol but I'm not saying anything". Even after I kept pestering her, she would not reveal that she had the idol, so I finally dropped the hint that I would play the idol on her to get Kenny out, which prompted her to admit that she had the second idol. I could have easily played my idol on Kenny and voted you out to secure my dominance in the final challenge, but I was pretty set on going to the F3 with you and Ashley partly because that's just what I wanted, and partly because I figured I could win. i didn't "confide" in Ashley with regards to my idol for the purpose of being her buddy. I needed her to confirm my suspicion that she did indeed have the idol. I knew you weren't all idiots. The idols were easy to find, and in fact I found two, its just that Shorty got to the first one before me, lolz. There was the idol thing, then we did not talk as much after the gabe vote so I just started to think that you did not really trust me anymore or something along those lines. I am sorry if that was not that case, it was just the vibe I was getting. Also like you said, I am pretty sure you would have won if you were sitting here with us. A combination of those things made my final vote the way it was. |
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Post by Phil on Feb 23, 2014 1:53:14 GMT -5
I didn't trust you as long as Kenny was around, tbh. I figured you had more loyalty to him than to me which is why I wanted him out.
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Post by Dewie890 on Feb 23, 2014 2:00:23 GMT -5
I didn't trust you as long as Kenny was around, to be honest. I figured you had more loyalty to him than to me which is why I wanted him out. I respect that, and tbh you were right. Kenny and I are getting a room at the hotel together after this taping. But Kenny had to go through BB, Survivor 2 and UC7 before he earned this title. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 2:23:14 GMT -5
Ashley, I think we started talking one-on-one during the first round of the game, and we had a separate "long-term agreement" without Dewie even before the tribal swap. Again, I wanted to know why you decided to choose me to try to work with. My OTHER question to both Ashley and Dewie is that I want to know what you think I value as a juror when deciding the winner of a game like this. If you had planned to go to the end with your alliance, you would have known that I would be on the jury. So you HAD to have an idea about how I would vote. I want to know your thought process behind your alliance/fake alliance/whatever it was with me, and how you assessed MY VALUES AS A JUROR (not your values about what you think makes a worthy winner). So, I just want to clarify that I want your thoughts about what I look for in a winner, and how you played that game to meet those values to earn my vote in the end. Remember, this is less about your values and more about mine because I get to vote and you don't. Also, this goes to both Dewie/Ashley again. Do you expect me to vote for you? Why or why not? We did start talking one-on-one and made a long term agreement in the first half of the game without Dewie. I knew before this game even started that I needed to form some relationships with newbies. It was inevitable that a tribe swap was going to happen and then later on a merge. I had zero plans of sticking to the core five alliance since day 1. I even said it to dewie when we began. I tried to talk to and get to know every newbie a little bit when the game first began. I wanted to see if I clicked with anyone. Out of everyone I talked to I felt like when I talked to both you and Buddy, I struck something. I felt like we hit it off and that if I was going to form an alliance with a newbie and break away from that five person alliance, I wanted it to be you. Things change on a dime in this game. I constantly thought about every move I made and every person I talked to and what would be the benefits and the consequences of each move. As I stated before, I really didn't plan to go the end with that alliance. I didn't predict that I would want you out of this game. You stayed under the radar for a very large portion of this game. You were the dark horse. You didn't really have too much going on outside of our final 4 alliance and you were a good competitor but there always seemed to be bigger fish to fry in that area. You weren't a threat to me earlier. You were a loyal ally. You were someone I felt I could trust and if I needed/wanted to could help me shake things up. I felt like when I wanted to go against the core alliance you would probably be my biggest supporter. I knew Dewie wasn't going to be. The biggest example would be the two times we tried to take out Kenny.
To be honest there was a time when I absolutely did want you in the end with us. Then in the second half of the game as we got closer to the end of the game… I started to realize that you reminded me of myself. I've already spoken to you in private about this, but I was the newbie underdog who made it to the end and won over the veterans. I had a strong feeling that history was going to repeat itself if you got there. Unfortunately in this game, you have to make decisions that put yourself in the best possible position that come with consequences. You sometimes have to do things you don't like doing. I knew that something like this could lose your jury vote. But I had to weigh the benefits and the risks. The risk of taking you to the end and losing outweighed everything even if it meant losing your vote.
As to your values as a juror? I've had many conversations with you over the course of the game. You were always one to stick to your guns, no matter the outcome. You believed in what you believed in and you didn't sway. You are fiercely loyal. I respect the hell out of that. I can only assume that you value someone who is loyal and sticks to their guns as well. That's not me though. That's not how I play and I won't apologize for it. There is no right or wrong way to play this game. If I don't get your vote for it then that's a consequence of my choices in this game that I will have to live with. This is a game that constantly changes and you have to be able to adapt. You have to roll with the punches. If plan A doesn't work, you need plan B and then Plan C when that doesn't. I did everything I felt I needed to do to get where I am right now. I didn't have any "fake" alliances. I didn't make deals and relationships with people just for sh*ts and giggles. Who I chose to remain loyal to was circumstantial. I made decisions by what would benefit me in the long run. You were not a fake alliance that I was using to bide my time until I could get rid of you and ride off into the sunset with dewie and kenny. Circumstances changed and you became more of a threat than an ally. So the moral to my novel is… I could be completely wrong about all of this but, no I don't think I played to your values as a juror. But what I'm hoping is that you can look past that.
Your last question… You had a great run at this game and you got the sh*tty end of the stick in the end. I don't expect you to vote for me at all. I just hope that you will.
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Post by Dewie890 on Feb 23, 2014 2:26:58 GMT -5
Ashley, I think we started talking one-on-one during the first round of the game, and we had a separate "long-term agreement" without Dewie even before the tribal swap. Again, I wanted to know why you decided to choose me to try to work with. My OTHER question to both Ashley and Dewie is that I want to know what you think I value as a juror when deciding the winner of a game like this. If you had planned to go to the end with your alliance, you would have known that I would be on the jury. So you HAD to have an idea about how I would vote. I want to know your thought process behind your alliance/fake alliance/whatever it was with me, and how you assessed MY VALUES AS A JUROR (not your values about what you think makes a worthy winner). So, I just want to clarify that I want your thoughts about what I look for in a winner, and how you played that game to meet those values to earn my vote in the end. Remember, this is less about your values and more about mine because I get to vote and you don't. Also, this goes to both Dewie/Ashley again. Do you expect me to vote for you? Why or why not?
To be honest there was a time when I absolutely did want you in the end with us. I am sorry Ash, but if this is true... it had to be a very brief time because you never once ran the idea past me about taking phil to the end. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 2:33:19 GMT -5
To be honest there was a time when I absolutely did want you in the end with us. I am sorry Ash, but if this is true... it had to be a very brief time because you never once ran the idea past me about taking phil to the end. Right back at you dewsh… but yes it wasn't exactly a long lived fantasy of mine |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 2:34:34 GMT -5
"ride off into the sunset with dewie and kenny. "
This should have happened boo boo
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Post by Dewie890 on Feb 23, 2014 2:38:25 GMT -5
I am sorry Ash, but if this is true... it had to be a very brief time because you never once ran the idea past me about taking phil to the end. Right back at you dewsh… but yes it wasn't exactly a long lived fantasy of mine I was always the one who fought for Phil to make it another week, so far as you asked me when i planned on cutting phil. I did not plan on taking phil to the end so I never ran it past you since my plan was always you and kenny. I also never said in my statement that I wanted phil in the end over you or kenny. I stated that I thought there was a scenario in which Kenny and you were eliminated that would put phil in my final 3. Your plan as far as I could see was to always take Jon to the end with us since he has no shot at this. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2014 3:09:12 GMT -5
Right back at you dewsh… but yes it wasn't exactly a long lived fantasy of mine I was always the one who fought for Phil to make it another week, so far as you asked me when i planned on cutting phil. I did not plan on taking phil to the end so I never ran it past you since my plan was always you and kenny. I also never said in my statement that I wanted phil in the end over you or kenny. I stated that I thought there was a scenario in which Kenny and you were eliminated that would put phil in my final 3. Your plan as far as I could see was to always take Jon to the end with us since he has no shot at this. It was early on. I thought about it back when we were talking and made the "long term agreement" pre tribal swap |
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Post by Dewie890 on Feb 23, 2014 3:12:36 GMT -5
I was always the one who fought for Phil to make it another week, so far as you asked me when i planned on cutting phil. I did not plan on taking phil to the end so I never ran it past you since my plan was always you and kenny. I also never said in my statement that I wanted phil in the end over you or kenny. I stated that I thought there was a scenario in which Kenny and you were eliminated that would put phil in my final 3. Your plan as far as I could see was to always take Jon to the end with us since he has no shot at this. It was early on. I thought about it back when we were talking and made the "long term agreement" pre tribal swap Ok, I guess the answer confused me. When I read it, I thought you were saying after we made the alliance with Phil and Gabe, but I guess that is not what you were saying. |
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