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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 20:25:59 GMT -5
Let's not turn this into an argument but Daquan can back me up here, you yelling literally got you 4 votes at the tribal I went home. We switched because of Mel not because of anything you would have done. Jsyk you had 4 votes on you we had to change last minute (me, don, Alad, Daquan) then I would have had 3 votes (Javi, Lan, Setsu) despite how upset she may be at me Mel said she had your vote and the two of you were 100% voting for anthony, Greg self voted so you would have gone home in a 4-3-2-1 vote and that woulda been epic tbh but Mel got us to switch to Anthony and then switch again to Lan. And, like, I don't think you realize the brilliance in the ploy. Its goal was to get people to talk to me, and people did allowing me to get in good with Lan down the road (despite me voting for him), and also allowed me an in with Javi/Anthony down the line. If you guys did not change your vote, idgaf whay mel 'thinks' self-preservation before anything else. THE ONLY reason I even voted with y'all was because you changed to Lan, I wasn't gonna vote for Anthony, because, lol at that point in the game, me and Anthony still had a solid realtiship. So despite what you think you changing the vote, while killing you would have lead to a 4-4 tie. And to be honest, had I really been in Danger your gone 5-4 because Mel would get rid of anyone to protect me... Changing your vote was the logical move, the idol f*cked it up. I do wish ofc that Lan left that vote, because I did like you and wanted to work with you at that point in the game, but, if I felt like you where truly lying to me and not bsing me, which by that point we talked I do think your vote had changed, I would have made a different move and would not have ahd the issue voting you out. Let's ask mels opinion on the subject, 4-4 tie me or Setsu who goes home cause you can't have a f2 deal with multiple people but still play the innocent I would have never betrayed you card so Mel rq lemme know. Oh and by the way, I was bullsh*ting you. I was the one who got everyone to vote for you not javi, I also didn't change my vote at the time we talked because I was getting transcripts of everything you were saying about me to Mel. I was waiting to see what you would say to her about what I was saying to you. |
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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 5, 2016 20:28:25 GMT -5
if you were so good why didn't you get lan and javi to vote me out before jonas so they didn't have to use the idol I tried but because they had the idol, they had no need to play that way, and did not need to give in to me. But I did try and get them to vote you out so me and mel could flip it on you, but she was pretty against it as well. Odds where it wouldn't have even worked out thats what makes it a non move. you couldn't convince people to do something that they didn't want to do. the biggest reason why i went home was because if lan, javi, and anthony tell me then its still a tie at best. It wasn't like they were going to sacrifice one of them in order to save someone who would on the bottom anyway and if they lost i wouldn't stay with them. don and alad did it for misinformed personal reasons lan, javi, and anthony do it out of self perseverance you and mel never clicked with me socially |
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Post by Setsu-Maria Ghomes on Feb 5, 2016 20:28:31 GMT -5
And, like, I don't think you realize the brilliance in the ploy. Its goal was to get people to talk to me, and people did allowing me to get in good with Lan down the road (despite me voting for him), and also allowed me an in with Javi/Anthony down the line. If you guys did not change your vote, idgaf whay mel 'thinks' self-preservation before anything else. THE ONLY reason I even voted with y'all was because you changed to Lan, I wasn't gonna vote for Anthony, because, lol at that point in the game, me and Anthony still had a solid realtiship. So despite what you think you changing the vote, while killing you would have lead to a 4-4 tie. And to be honest, had I really been in Danger your gone 5-4 because Mel would get rid of anyone to protect me... Changing your vote was the logical move, the idol f*cked it up. I do wish ofc that Lan left that vote, because I did like you and wanted to work with you at that point in the game, but, if I felt like you where truly lying to me and not bsing me, which by that point we talked I do think your vote had changed, I would have made a different move and would not have ahd the issue voting you out. Let's ask mels opinion on the subject, 4-4 tie me or Setsu who goes home cause you can't have a f2 deal with multiple people but still play the innocent I would have never betrayed you card so Mel rq lemme know. Oh and by the way, I was bullsh*ting you. I was the one who got everyone to vote for you not javi, I also didn't change my vote at the time we talked because I was getting transcripts of everything you were saying about me to Mel. I was waiting to see what you would say to her about what I was saying to you. Like I said I don't know what happened behind the scenes. And JSYK I knew that, me and javi talked about it, you even told me outright you where gonna vote me originally.... like lmao... And the only on paper Final 2 deal I had at that point was Mel, who I never was gonna betray... |
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Post by Setsu-Maria Ghomes on Feb 5, 2016 20:33:29 GMT -5
I tried but because they had the idol, they had no need to play that way, and did not need to give in to me. But I did try and get them to vote you out so me and mel could flip it on you, but she was pretty against it as well. Odds where it wouldn't have even worked out thats what makes it a non move. you couldn't convince people to do something that they didn't want to do. the biggest reason why i went home was because if lan, javi, and anthony tell me then its still a tie at best. It wasn't like they were going to sacrifice one of them in order to save someone who would on the bottom anyway and if they lost i wouldn't stay with them. don and alad did it for misinformed personal reasons lan, javi, and anthony do it out of self perseverance you and mel never clicked with me socially I mean ofc that round, was against my control. I had to play with well at least one of those three goes, or Jonas, a big threat, gets idol'd out. I had to take what I could get ya know. And with me pretty much promising people the sun/moon/earth for voting you out ofc Javi/Lan where gonna flip. IMO Javi's biggest blunder was having Anthony lie to me/mel about the vote the following round, becaue, the possibility of me going with Anthony over Mel should have been a realsitc possibility. IDK why they taught a 3-2-2 vote was even realistic but they dropped the ball there... Beucase I wanted to work with those 3 over Don/Alad because I liked them more.... lmao...... So yes you said Lan/Javi/Anthony made your vote off out of Self-Preservation, well that is legitmily my entire game post merge. But I don't want to get into advance survivor theory/dynamics here going into well no one can makea move by themselves unless they sole vote someone out. Everoyne has a vote and makes up there own minds, but... like again this is more advanced theory. I don't want to argue with y'all. I have no problem discussing what went down, but the fact of the matter is, I did not have a lot of information about the social dymaincs until the Jonas tribal to begin with. |
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 20:34:48 GMT -5
Let's ask mels opinion on the subject, 4-4 tie me or Setsu who goes home cause you can't have a f2 deal with multiple people but still play the innocent I would have never betrayed you card so Mel rq lemme know. Oh and by the way, I was bullsh*ting you. I was the one who got everyone to vote for you not javi, I also didn't change my vote at the time we talked because I was getting transcripts of everything you were saying about me to Mel. I was waiting to see what you would say to her about what I was saying to you. Like I said I don't know what happened behind the scenes. And JSYK I knew that, me and javi talked about it, you even told me outright you where gonna vote me originally.... like lmao... And the only on paper Final 2 deal I had at that point was Mel, who I never was gonna betray... Nah I'm not referring to a f2 deal between us, there was none it was more of a self preservation thing or so it seemed. I'm referring to the fact that Mel and I had a f2 and once I was voted out and told her I was never planning on taking her to the f2 she gave me sh*t about it for a long time. Now here you claim to have had a f2 and tbh I'm quite inclined to believe you, but I wanna hear her take on it. From someone who told me over and over that they had never broken a f2 deal, its survivor if she is lying oh well but what I don't understand is the blatant hypocrisy when apparently she wasn't taking me either. |
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Post by Setsu-Maria Ghomes on Feb 5, 2016 20:37:20 GMT -5
Like I said I don't know what happened behind the scenes. And JSYK I knew that, me and javi talked about it, you even told me outright you where gonna vote me originally.... like lmao... And the only on paper Final 2 deal I had at that point was Mel, who I never was gonna betray... Nah I'm not referring to a f2 deal between us, there was none it was more of a self preservation thing or so it seemed. I'm referring to the fact that Mel and I had a f2 and once I was voted out and told her I was never planning on taking her to the f2 she gave me sh*t about it for a long time. Now here you claim to have had a f2 and tbh I'm quite inclined to believe you, but I wanna hear her take on it. From someone who told me over and over that they had never broken a f2 deal, its survivor if she is lying oh well but what I don't understand is the blatant hypocrisy when apparently she wasn't taking me either. I mean me and mel had played other games together so I already came in knowing I could trust her, this was a huge reason why I was so loyal to her, when some people might not have been. We also click a lot better then she did with others. I mean ofc she could have been playing me, we probably wont ever know now because her answer now could be clouded by recent emtions. |
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 20:41:32 GMT -5
Nah I'm not referring to a f2 deal between us, there was none it was more of a self preservation thing or so it seemed. I'm referring to the fact that Mel and I had a f2 and once I was voted out and told her I was never planning on taking her to the f2 she gave me sh*t about it for a long time. Now here you claim to have had a f2 and tbh I'm quite inclined to believe you, but I wanna hear her take on it. From someone who told me over and over that they had never broken a f2 deal, its survivor if she is lying oh well but what I don't understand is the blatant hypocrisy when apparently she wasn't taking me either. I mean me and mel had played other games together so I already came in knowing I could trust her, this was a huge reason why I was so loyal to her, when some people might not have been. We also click a lot better then she did with others. I mean ofc she could have been playing me, we probably wont ever know now because her answer now could be clouded by recent emtions. O I doubt we will get an answer I'm certain she hates me cause I played her in Survivor told her about it and then played her again in endurance. Kinda like the saying fool me once ya know? That added to the fact she deleted all of her confessionals means we will probably never get an honest answer. I do appreciate you calling me a threat tho lots of these jurors like to claim I never did anything and was never a real threat the entire game |
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Post by Setsu-Maria Ghomes on Feb 5, 2016 20:45:25 GMT -5
I mean me and mel had played other games together so I already came in knowing I could trust her, this was a huge reason why I was so loyal to her, when some people might not have been. We also click a lot better then she did with others. I mean ofc she could have been playing me, we probably wont ever know now because her answer now could be clouded by recent emtions. O I doubt we will get an answer I'm certain she hates me cause I played her in Survivor told her about it and then played her again in endurance. Kinda like the saying fool me once ya know? That added to the fact she deleted all of her confessionals means we will probably never get an honest answer. I do appreciate you calling me a threat tho lots of these jurors like to claim I never did anything and was never a real threat the entire game If I had the patience to find it I can show you that Javi outright said he wanted you gone because you where the only theat on your side. I always saw you and Javi as the biggest therats because you two had a lot of sway on your side, and you leaving opens up the underlings into new allainces.. I really wanted 2 to leave and have the last one (Lan) scooped up me and mel, but despite trying Lan is smart enough to know, that taking both me and mel to a final 4 is risky af, because, if the other person loses immunity hes done, but he knows taking out Mel would gurantee me causing a tiebreake had I won, and it gave him a safety net to have a backup in going with a pair. a Brilliant move by him, he was to smart to be convinced to do something so stupid. |
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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 5, 2016 21:05:18 GMT -5
I mean me and mel had played other games together so I already came in knowing I could trust her, this was a huge reason why I was so loyal to her, when some people might not have been. We also click a lot better then she did with others. I mean ofc she could have been playing me, we probably wont ever know now because her answer now could be clouded by recent emtions. O I doubt we will get an answer I'm certain she hates me cause I played her in Survivor told her about it and then played her again in endurance. Kinda like the saying fool me once ya know? That added to the fact she deleted all of her confessionals means we will probably never get an honest answer. I do appreciate you calling me a threat tho lots of these jurors like to claim I never did anything and was never a real threat the entire game everyone knew you were a threat. you tried to be on everyone's side but failed to get past the second round of a merge that was your first real test of gameplay. what did you do? OG miri only loses 1 comp and votes out 2 inacts. Then swap and you throw a comp to then have it not matter. then the merge comes and maybe you can say you got out max but you were originally pushing for anthony really hard. i see it more as a group decision. Afterward you get voted out. I dont see where you played a great game. you played a great pre-merge game when it was incredibly easy to do so and was voted out the first time that people tried. Its not like you played a bad game it just wasn't good. I dont think anyone played a great game unless javi wins final immunity and then he just plays a strong physical game. |
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Post by Setsu-Maria Ghomes on Feb 5, 2016 21:13:33 GMT -5
a Strong Physical game isn't a good game.
TO be honest Don has voted in the majority minus idols this entire time, and Lan has played a great underdog game.
But I agree most people play meh games
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 21:13:43 GMT -5
O I doubt we will get an answer I'm certain she hates me cause I played her in Survivor told her about it and then played her again in endurance. Kinda like the saying fool me once ya know? That added to the fact she deleted all of her confessionals means we will probably never get an honest answer. I do appreciate you calling me a threat tho lots of these jurors like to claim I never did anything and was never a real threat the entire game everyone knew you were a threat. you tried to be on everyone's side but failed to get past the second round of a merge that was your first real test of gameplay. what did you do? OG miri only loses 1 comp and votes out 2 inacts. Then swap and you throw a comp to then have it not matter. then the merge comes and maybe you can say you got out max but you were originally pushing for anthony really hard. i see it more as a group decision. Afterward you get voted out. I dont see where you played a great game. you played a great pre-merge game when it was incredibly easy to do so and was voted out the first time that people tried. Its not like you played a bad game it just wasn't good. I dont think anyone played a great game unless javi wins final immunity and then he just plays a strong physical game. Tbh I feel like that's been everyone's story to this point. Anyone who showed any signs of intelligent gameplay is either jury or premerge boots. It just seems like this is a f3 filled with sidekicks. |
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 21:16:43 GMT -5
a Strong Physical game isn't a good game. TO be honest Don has voted in the majority minus idols this entire time, and Lan has played a great underdog game. But I agree most people play meh games The only knock I have against Lan is that it seems like this entire game he has had someone else calling the shots for him. Jackson, Max, Javi it seems like his game didn't start till the Javi vote off. Also I feel like yall are sleeping on Alad, he has played a great UTR game. Never had a vote cast against him, to my knowledge the only time anyone ever mentioned taking him out was premerge when I was playing both sides and I shut that down. |
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Post by Setsu-Maria Ghomes on Feb 5, 2016 21:19:43 GMT -5
I don't undersitame Alad. I think his game was pretty similar, and yet oppsite mine.
I think he was able to play the 'side-kick' without having to be aggressive. I would like to see him do something extordinay though, even if its as simple as win immunity and fake scare Don at tribal
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 21:24:22 GMT -5
I don't undersitame Alad. I think his game was pretty similar, and yet oppsite mine. I think he was able to play the 'side-kick' without having to be aggressive. I would like to see him do something extordinay though, even if its as simple as win immunity and fake scare Don at tribal If Alad wins and votes off don does Alad win? Because idk how I would feel about that on one hand it's a big move but on the other hand it's a dumb move cause Lan is the bigger threat. And then does Lan get credit for making Alad do that? So I guess is Alad drawing dead at this point, I like the guy but I think he might be tbh. |
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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 5, 2016 21:27:24 GMT -5
I don't undersitame Alad. I think his game was pretty similar, and yet oppsite mine. I think he was able to play the 'side-kick' without having to be aggressive. I would like to see him do something extordinay though, even if its as simple as win immunity and fake scare Don at tribal If Alad wins and votes off don does Alad win? Because idk how I would feel about that on one hand it's a big move but on the other hand it's a dumb move cause Lan is the bigger threat. And then does Lan get credit for making Alad do that? So I guess is Alad drawing dead at this point, I like the guy but I think he might be tbh. alad is the perfect goat to bring. i dont see him winning against either don or lan. the only way i see alad voting out don is if they both promise to vote each other off so they can vote for the other. |
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 21:30:13 GMT -5
If Alad wins and votes off don does Alad win? Because idk how I would feel about that on one hand it's a big move but on the other hand it's a dumb move cause Lan is the bigger threat. And then does Lan get credit for making Alad do that? So I guess is Alad drawing dead at this point, I like the guy but I think he might be tbh. alad is the perfect goat to bring. i dont see him winning against either don or lan. the only way i see alad voting out don is if they both promise to vote each other off so they can vote for the other. LMAO that would be something else. |
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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 5, 2016 21:30:25 GMT -5
if alad wins i'd rather call him natalie (samoa)
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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 5, 2016 21:32:37 GMT -5
i would feel better about voting for don or alad if they had any type of jury management or there biggest move wasn't incredibly tainted.
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 5, 2016 21:32:46 GMT -5
if alad wins i'd rather call him natalie (samoa) Natalie deserved to win tho... |
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Post by daquanwizard on Feb 5, 2016 21:33:28 GMT -5
if alad wins i'd rather call him natalie (samoa) Natalie deserved to win tho... overall? sure over russell? no way. bitter jury bs |
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