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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:39:14 GMT -5
I put hayden very very low on my BB ranking as well. He didn't leave any kind of impression on me. I don't think he did anything special that the other brigade members didn't do. He didn't have t do anything, so why should he!? If I could go in the bb house and chill for 80 something days and get a check, I'll choose that every single day of the week and twice on sunday. that's fine that he did that. But that kind of a game doesn't distinguish him from others as a great player in my eyes when I feel there are so many other people in the history of the show who played better games and left a lasting impression on me. |
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Post by Brooke on Apr 4, 2014 1:39:21 GMT -5
I am shocked... You would put him in the same group as Will, d*ck, Danielle, Dan, and Janelle? Socially and strategically he's better than d*ck and Janelle. d*ck and Janelle are more memorable because there seasons were very entertaining and they are very entertaining. I don't think he's better socially or strategically than BB7 Janelle. Janelle would have won BB All-Stars had the final HOH comp not been catered to a man. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:40:35 GMT -5
I think even Nicole from BB2 is better than him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:41:02 GMT -5
It's not his fault the personality of the other houseguests weren't "entertaining" enough for you two.
He set up the brigade, they made it blantantly obvious, and still had 3/4 make the final 4
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Post by Brooke on Apr 4, 2014 1:41:21 GMT -5
I think even Nicole from BB2 is better than him. Now that's saying a bit too much. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:41:49 GMT -5
*enzo set it up, but Hayden led it*
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:44:29 GMT -5
I'm not talking about entertainment value. I mean his game did not leave any kind of impression me. I'm not saying he played a bad game. I'm saying there are SO MANY other players who played a better one that I can't rank him anywhere even remotely close to the top
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Post by briqsquad on Apr 4, 2014 1:52:02 GMT -5
Socially and strategically he's better than d*ck and Janelle. d*ck and Janelle are more memorable because there seasons were very entertaining and they are very entertaining. I don't think he's better socially or strategically than BB7 Janelle. Janelle would have won BB All-Stars had the final HOH comp not been catered to a man. I am shocked to what you just said! BB7 Janelle?  ? Janelle makes terrible decisions all of the time. Socially, Hayden had a way better game then Janelle, lets get that out of the way. Strategically, she made errors the whole game. Should have put up chilltown early, put up floaters which was stupid. Caused James to officially team up with danielle, creating a bigger target on her back. Put up her ally Marcellus because the biggest liar in the house told her to do so. Got lied to numerous times by chilltown and she never abandoned them and when she did she got rid of them at the wrong time. She should have kept will, which would have guaranteed her a spot in the final hoh. Then she should have got rid of will there to solidify the greatest run in bb history. But I bet she would evict mike boogie instead and lose to will in the finals. Janelle never makes good decisions, in fact she makes the game harder for herself every single time. |
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Post by briqsquad on Apr 4, 2014 1:52:41 GMT -5
I think even Nicole from BB2 is better than him. Nicole is a great player! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:53:45 GMT -5
I will back up the Janelle thing.. sorry brookie hahahaha
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Post by briqsquad on Apr 4, 2014 1:55:46 GMT -5
He didn't have t do anything, so why should he!? If I could go in the bb house and chill for 80 something days and get a check, I'll choose that every single day of the week and twice on sunday. that's fine that he did that. But that kind of a game doesn't distinguish him from others as a great player in my eyes when I feel there are so many other people in the history of the show who played better games and left a lasting impression on me. I can see how you see that. But he posses everything you need to be good in the game. Name one quality he lacks, besides entertainment value? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2014 1:58:23 GMT -5
that's fine that he did that. But that kind of a game doesn't distinguish him from others as a great player in my eyes when I feel there are so many other people in the history of the show who played better games and left a lasting impression on me. I can see how you see that. But he posses everything you need to be good in the game. Name one quality he lacks, besides entertainment value? I think we are getting our wires crossed… haha I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm just trying to say that there are SO MANY other players I would rank ahead of him.. that's all haha |
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Post by briqsquad on Apr 4, 2014 2:01:11 GMT -5
I can see how you see that. But he posses everything you need to be good in the game. Name one quality he lacks, besides entertainment value? I think we are getting our wires crossed… haha I'm not saying he's a bad player. I'm just trying to say that there are SO MANY other players I would rank ahead of him.. that's all haha True, I feel a lot of people underrate him so I get defensive haha. Who would you rate over him? |
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Post by Brooke on Apr 4, 2014 2:10:26 GMT -5
I will back up the Janelle thing.. sorry brookie hahahaha I don't mind. |
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Post by Brooke on Apr 4, 2014 2:24:47 GMT -5
I don't think he's better socially or strategically than BB7 Janelle. Janelle would have won BB All-Stars had the final HOH comp not been catered to a man. I am shocked to what you just said! BB7 Janelle? ? Janelle makes terrible decisions all of the time. Socially, Hayden had a way better game then Janelle, lets get that out of the way. Strategically, she made errors the whole game. Should have put up chilltown early, put up floaters which was stupid. Caused James to officially team up with danielle, creating a bigger target on her back. Put up her ally Marcellus because the biggest liar in the house told her to do so. Got lied to numerous times by chilltown and she never abandoned them and when she did she got rid of them at the wrong time. She should have kept will, which would have guaranteed her a spot in the final hoh. Then she should have got rid of will there to solidify the greatest run in bb history. But I bet she would evict mike boogie instead and lose to will in the finals. Janelle never makes good decisions, in fact she makes the game harder for herself every single time. Here's my opinion on the matter. I'm not saying she was the best on BB7, all your examples are stating others are better than her from that season. I'm saying that Janelle's game on BB7 stands out and is better to me than Hayden's BB12 game. Janelle, along with the other BB6 players go into All-Stars with the biggest targets on their backs due to their season just airing and they have 4 of them. Janelle willingly aligns with Chilltown because she knows it's her best move. The first episode alone of All-Stars it's all about trying to out S6. Everyone was scared of Kayser (which I never understand why because the dude's an idiot). Chilltown was in no way a threat until near the end. They literally did almost no strategizing the entire time they were there. Boogie and Will talked up huge games during All-Stars, but really didn't do much. Using Will's own statement, they painted their Target so big they didn't have one. The only great thing Will did was give that epic speech near the beginning of the season. And You think had she voted out Erika over Will that she would have won the final HOH? No chance at all, Boogie would still wins that. Hayden wasn't even relevant on his Season until he dumped that chick, Kristen. And let's be real, he was in a house with idiots like Brenden and Rachel...personally the only good thing that came out of S12 was Britney. Socially no one has played the game as great as Ian has. Not one person comes close. |
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Post by briqsquad on Apr 4, 2014 2:52:21 GMT -5
I am shocked to what you just said! BB7 Janelle? ? Janelle makes terrible decisions all of the time. Socially, Hayden had a way better game then Janelle, lets get that out of the way. Strategically, she made errors the whole game. Should have put up chilltown early, put up floaters which was stupid. Caused James to officially team up with danielle, creating a bigger target on her back. Put up her ally Marcellus because the biggest liar in the house told her to do so. Got lied to numerous times by chilltown and she never abandoned them and when she did she got rid of them at the wrong time. She should have kept will, which would have guaranteed her a spot in the final hoh. Then she should have got rid of will there to solidify the greatest run in bb history. But I bet she would evict mike boogie instead and lose to will in the finals. Janelle never makes good decisions, in fact she makes the game harder for herself every single time. Here's my opinion on the matter. I'm not saying she was the best on BB7, all your examples are stating others are better than her from that season. I'm saying that Janelle's game on BB7 stands out and is better to me than Hayden's BB12 game. Janelle, along with the other BB6 players go into All-Stars with the biggest targets on their backs due to their season just airing and they have 4 of them. Janelle willingly aligns with Chilltown because she knows it's her best move. The first episode alone of All-Stars it's all about trying to out S6. Everyone was scared of Kayser (which I never understand why because the dude's an idiot). Chilltown was in no way a threat until near the end. They literally did almost no strategizing the entire time they were there. Boogie and Will talked up huge games during All-Stars, but really didn't do much. Using Will's own statement, they painted their Target so big they didn't have one. The only great thing Will did was give that epic speech near the beginning of the season. And You think had she voted out Erika over Will that she would have won the final HOH? No chance at all, Boogie would still wins that. Hayden wasn't even relevant on his Season until he dumped that chick, Kristen. And let's be real, he was in a house with idiots like Brenden and Rachel...personally the only good thing that came out of S12 was Britney. Socially no one has played the game as great as Ian has. Not one person comes close. I think Janelle was the second best player in bb7. Don't know where I said all of these players were better than her. Her game does stand out more because she is more entertaining and won lots of povs keeping her off the block. Hayden is boring and had terrible interviews but he never had a target on his back and controlled his alliance to the very end. Thats how you play the game and Janelle has never done that on three seasons of bb. Chilltown was not a threat but players like diane, and nykomis are? You never mentioned anything Janelle did strategically. You actually failed to mention anything significant Janelle did besides align with chilltown which was chilltowns doing not hers. All you did was bash chilltown, hayden, and mentioned Ian. Idk what chilltown and Ian have to do with anything with her game play but they know the game better than Janelle does. It guaranteed her a spot in the final hoh. Can't get much better than that. We also haven't touched on Janelles bb6 and bb14 season... |
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Post by Brooke on Apr 4, 2014 3:25:13 GMT -5
I think Janelle was the second best player in bb7. Don't know where I said all of these players were better than her. Her game does stand out more because she is more entertaining and won lots of povs keeping her off the block. Hayden is boring and had terrible interviews but he never had a target on his back and controlled his alliance to the very end. Thats how you play the game and Janelle has never done that on three seasons of bb. Chilltown was not a threat but players like diane, and nykomis are? You never mentioned anything Janelle did strategically. You actually failed to mention anything significant Janelle did besides align with chilltown which was chilltowns doing not hers. All you did was bash chilltown, hayden, and mentioned Ian. Idk what chilltown and Ian have to do with anything with her game play but they know the game better than Janelle does. It guaranteed her a spot in the final hoh. Can't get much better than that. We also haven't touched on Janelles bb6 and bb14 season... Strategically Janelle aligned with Chilltown, which I stated. And that's a smart move. She won 11 competitions, keeping herself off the block. Just because someone plays the game more competitively doesn't make them a bad player. I didn't say you verbatim said those players were better than her, that's what your statement made it seem like. Hayden was in an alliance that mutually agreed on everything pretty much. I don't think he controlled anything. Enzo stands out more than he does to me. I do not think he played the game too well because like Ashley said in a comment that he's not memorable. He seemed like he was there to get his 15 minutes and possibly get laid. Janelle played the game hard competitively causing people to put targets on her, yet she makes final 3 twice. She plays hard, which is why I think she's better. I'm not bashing anyone. I love Chilltown and I liked Hayden (more so only on Survivor, on BB he was a fly on the wall). I only mentioned Ian because you said something about social game play. You could name 100 more reasons and I'm not going to change my mind. She the best competitor BB has ever seen competition wise. |
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Post by briqsquad on Apr 4, 2014 3:55:09 GMT -5
I think Janelle was the second best player in bb7. Don't know where I said all of these players were better than her. Her game does stand out more because she is more entertaining and won lots of povs keeping her off the block. Hayden is boring and had terrible interviews but he never had a target on his back and controlled his alliance to the very end. Thats how you play the game and Janelle has never done that on three seasons of bb. Chilltown was not a threat but players like diane, and nykomis are? You never mentioned anything Janelle did strategically. You actually failed to mention anything significant Janelle did besides align with chilltown which was chilltowns doing not hers. All you did was bash chilltown, hayden, and mentioned Ian. Idk what chilltown and Ian have to do with anything with her game play but they know the game better than Janelle does. It guaranteed her a spot in the final hoh. Can't get much better than that. We also haven't touched on Janelles bb6 and bb14 season... Strategically Janelle aligned with Chilltown, which I stated. And that's a smart move. She won 11 competitions, keeping herself off the block. Just because someone plays the game more competitively doesn't make them a bad player. I didn't say you verbatim said those players were better than her, that's what your statement made it seem like. Hayden was in an alliance that mutually agreed on everything pretty much. I don't think he controlled anything. Enzo stands out more than he does to me. I do not think he played the game too well because like Ashley said in a comment that he's not memorable. He seemed like he was there to get his 15 minutes and possibly get laid. Janelle played the game hard competitively causing people to put targets on her, yet she makes final 3 twice. She plays hard, which is why I think she's better. I'm not bashing anyone. I love Chilltown and I liked Hayden (more so only on Survivor, on BB he was a fly on the wall). I only mentioned Ian because you said something about social game play. You could name 100 more reasons and I'm not going to change my mind. She the best competitor BB has ever seen competition wise. Chilltown aligned with Janelle. Chilltown benefited from that way more than Janelle did. Hayden is more well rounded, you have to agree with that. He is good in comps, strategically he's good and socially hes good. He beats janelle 2/3 on those categories. Hayden plays smart and has won, which is why I think he's better. You clearly said Chilltown did nothing in BB7 which wasn't necessary to the argument. Ian was not relevant either, yes he played a great social game but what does that have to do with Hayden and Janelle? The bolded part is a statement someone usually makes when they lose a debate btw...  |
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Post by briqsquad on Apr 4, 2014 3:55:37 GMT -5
Does anyone here think Maggie is a good player?
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Post by Jhonmarco on Apr 4, 2014 18:25:58 GMT -5
Janelle's great, because she was always a target and made final 3 against all the odds two seasons back to back. I agree she doesn't hold a candle to Will, Dan, and Danielle strategically/socially, but she's somewhere in my top 10. My top 3 would be any combination of Will, Dan, and Danielle Reyes.
Do you guys think any from BB15 deserves a mention for at least top 20? I think Andy played an AMAZING game.
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? Janelle makes terrible decisions all of the time. Socially, Hayden had a way better game then Janelle, lets get that out of the way. Strategically, she made errors the whole game. Should have put up chilltown early, put up floaters which was stupid. Caused James to officially team up with danielle, creating a bigger target on her back. Put up her ally Marcellus because the biggest liar in the house told her to do so. Got lied to numerous times by chilltown and she never abandoned them and when she did she got rid of them at the wrong time. She should have kept will, which would have guaranteed her a spot in the final hoh. Then she should have got rid of will there to solidify the greatest run in bb history. But I bet she would evict mike boogie instead and lose to will in the finals. Janelle never makes good decisions, in fact she makes the game harder for herself every single time. 
