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Post by skbrettbug on Feb 13, 2015 6:25:56 GMT -5
Well first off congrats on final 2 guys, it is nice to see that 2 members of the axis powers alliance made the final , though our alliance makes me think of the four horsemen on BB5 with 2 members going to the end and the other 2, Cole and I, getting voted out before then. Thoughts: Alex- You were my main man in the game, you won almost every individual immunity, and found the idols. Brett- You played the game that I wanted to play better than I did and I have to give you credit for that. Question: My questions for both of you since all three of us voted the same way the entire game until I was voted off my question is: Starting with, and including my voteoff- 1. Describe and explain what you did to influence the votes for each round. - who were you talking to in the game, what did you personally say to avoid being targeted, etc. 2. Tell me what you knew and were thinking going to each tribal. - what was the result, based off the info you had at that time, you were expecting during each tribal and why? It might be best to format your answers to my questions like: Ricardo 1. 2. and so on. Intriguing question. I like it. Ricardo- 1. I wanted to vote out Joey, which I did. Lizzie I think brought up the possiblity of the idol, which I neglected to think about. 2. I was expecting Joey to leave this game by a 3-2-2 margin Lizzie- 1. I voted Joey again. I talked with our alliance about doing that for unity, and they all "agreed". 2. I was expecting Joey to leave this game by a 4-2 margin if everyone in our alliance voted according to plan. They didn't. Joey- 1. Again, Joey. Why reinvent the wheel? I figured they were done blindsiding. With Alex's idol we would at least have a 2-1 or 3-0 majority. 2. I was expecting Joey to leave (seems to be a recurring theme. sorry, bud ) which did happen Hanna- 1. Obviously, I trusted Alex, and JR (to a lesser extent) to have a final 3. JR even PM'ed us "Vireo Final 3?" so I had an inkling that he *might* vote with us. as soon as I saw his tribal council speech I knew it was going to be a tie at best. So I paused the Michigan-Iowa game (gasp!) and won the tiebreaker challenge. Machiavelli said it best, the ends justify the means. 2. I was expecting a 3-1 vote of Hanna until I saw JR's tribal council question answered. Then I was ancitipating a 2-2 tie. JR- 1. I didnt talk much, as I didn't want to attempt to sway him since I figured he already had an idea. 2. I was expecing JR to go, after his outburst, it was 97% clear that he was gone.
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Post by skbrettbug on Feb 13, 2015 6:30:35 GMT -5
Well congratulations Brett. My question for you is simple, had you won the last immunity challenge who would you have taken to the end and why? Also, had Alex taken me like he promised, would you have voted for me? As for you Alex.... I apologize for getting a little ratchet earlier. I'm a competitor and I don't like NOT making it the final in things. I came so far and to not win sucks. However, it makes me feel nice knowing had you taken me you would have lost. I was that b*tch this season and I'm okay with that. My question to you is, what is loyalty to you? You go on about how friends should be okay with voting friends even if one gets screwed over in the end, but I don't understand this concept. So maybe you can help me understand? How did I impact your game? Because I feel like if it wasn't for me, you would have been gone weeks ago instead of Lizzie. I helped you get here! Final Immunity? Tough one. I know you have friends on this side, and Alex doesn't. But people want a guy who made "moves" to win over a guy who didn't need to make "moves". I guess that I would have taken you, only because I want to win, and that could have helped sway the jury. Had Alex taken you to the end, I think I would have voted for Alex. I got to see how his game was played from essentially the get-go, and I don't think I talked one-on-one with you until the Final 4. It was clear that you wanted to work with both sides of the island, I admire that, but Alex and I stayed loyal the entire game and he didn't withhold anything from me.
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Post by skbrettbug on Feb 13, 2015 6:31:25 GMT -5
So looks like we need just Hanna, Robby, and Kyle to be complete. Great questions so far!
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Post by herovvillain31 on Feb 13, 2015 9:37:04 GMT -5
Hey guys! First off, I gotta give you both a big congratulations. Making it to the end of survivor is no easy feat. Well done. I've got one question for both of you but before I do that I just want to say a few things. And don't worry, it's nothing bad, I'm not a bitter jury member. With that said...
I don't get the hate your getting Alex over playing an incredible game. From what I'm gathering it's because you didn't play a great strategic game. Well, I think so fuse youve proven that you have. Playing idols is a stretegic play, and boy do I know, figuring out when to play an idol requires a lot of thought. So if your social game was there, the only thing I can think of for judging your game would be on how you weren't an underdog this game. You won a lot of challenges, made a lot of big moves. Set yourself up as a big player. So because you weren't under the radar or an underdog, that deserves hate? No way. Your owning the game you played and I think it's great. Not every winner of survivor can claim to play as well as you did, so well done. As someone who respects the game I can appreciate the level you played at.
Brett, I do owe you a lot. At the beginning of this game I was not in the majority alliance on my tribe. And you helped me out and I told you I owed for that. You got me sent to exile, I found the special idol, and then we all know how that went down. That was a big move for you and I'm sorry we never got to connect once the merge happened.
alright so I think In order to be the sole survivor you need to do more than just play survivor. You need to respect and understand that. I feel that's what makes a good player, understanding what went wrong, what went right, and everything in between. So my question for both of you is this: I need each of you to give me three examples of important moves that highly influenced this game. They can be something you did, but just remember, I'm looking for an understanding of the game we just played , not essentially tooting your own horn. And the three examples don't have to be a good outcome, it could have been something bad that happened that's influenced the game. (Example, Tyson decided to vote for Parvati and destroyed his own Allaince in heroes vs villains).
Thank you both and good luck!
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Post by Jacob on Feb 13, 2015 16:14:02 GMT -5
Hi Kyle Thanks for the kind words to us both. Now to answer your question I'll rank the 3 moves that anyone made throughout the game that affected the outcome, but I have to include stuff about myself just so I can explain why this was a big move in my opinion, and how it affected my game for better or worse. Hopefully that's ok! #3 - JR voting out Brett at final 4: It didn't really lead to anything, but it had potential to change the outcome of the game entirely. Had Hanna won the tiebreaker challenge, there was a chance that she could have also won final immunity, leading to a Hanna/JR final 2. It was the last in a series of big moves by JR, and probably the most significant. From my viewpoint, I was freaking out because if Brett had lost then I would be the odd man out in the final 3. It was an incredibly smart move on JR's part though because I still would've taken him to the end over Hanna had I won immunity, so he was setting himself up for a potential guaranteed F2 no matter what. Also since it didn't work, it helped my decision of taking Brett over JR...it was at least one more attempted move that JR had made than Brett, and set him up as a bigger threat in my eyes. #2 - Ricardo's blindside: This move obviously took Ricardo out of the game, the first Vireo to leave after the merge. While this was a disaster for me, I can admit that it was an incredibly good move for the people who made it. In the short term, it set Lizzie and JR up as the power players of the game, original Vireo members who had just voted with Anole, giving them the option to go with either Joey/Hanna or me/Brett afterwards. But it had long lasting effects that led to the final 2 sitting here today. ***Possible Spoiler Alert if you haven't watched Survivor San Juan Del Sur***** I'd kind of compare it to Jeremy getting out in Survivor SJDS...It made Lizzie and JR bigger threats, like Jon and Jaclyn. I don't wanna compare myself to Natalie, but I don't really have any other options...after that vote I realized they were huge threats that needed to go at some point, and it led to me varying from my plan and voting Lizzie (Jon) out at Final 6, and then voting JR out at Final 3 (k well SJDS had a final 3 so Jaclyn made it to the end but still the point is made) even though at one point I had wanted to go to the end with him. Short term it was great for other people and bad for me, and long term it was bad for other people and good for me. #1 - Kyle's idol play: This move set up the climax of the game, no question. If it had been successful, there would probably be 2 Anole people sitting in the end right now. Before it was played, I was expecting a 5-5 vote at the worst, and was only going to play 1 idol. I was feeling ok with our odds if it went to rocks...I would be safe from immunity, someone else would be safe from the idol, and whoever was involved in the tie would be safe. But then when that idol came out, I realized that this was the make or break tribal of the season, and I had to play both idols on Vireo to increase our odds. Still though, there was a chance that I wouldn't idol the right person, and so the ball was definitely in Anole's court for a while. One of the craziest tribals I've been a part of for sure, I didn't know how it was going to end until the votes came up, and it was just overall insane. Tbh a part of me wants to know how the game would've played out had Anole taken control at that tribal, but I guess we'll never know. Thanks again
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Post by skbrettbug on Feb 13, 2015 16:15:50 GMT -5
Hey guys! First off, I gotta give you both a big congratulations. Making it to the end of survivor is no easy feat. Well done. I've got one question for both of you but before I do that I just want to say a few things. And don't worry, it's nothing bad, I'm not a bitter jury member. With that said... I don't get the hate your getting Alex over playing an incredible game. From what I'm gathering it's because you didn't play a great strategic game. Well, I think so fuse youve proven that you have. Playing idols is a stretegic play, and boy do I know, figuring out when to play an idol requires a lot of thought. So if your social game was there, the only thing I can think of for judging your game would be on how you weren't an underdog this game. You won a lot of challenges, made a lot of big moves. Set yourself up as a big player. So because you weren't under the radar or an underdog, that deserves hate? No way. Your owning the game you played and I think it's great. Not every winner of survivor can claim to play as well as you did, so well done. As someone who respects the game I can appreciate the level you played at. Brett, I do owe you a lot. At the beginning of this game I was not in the majority alliance on my tribe. And you helped me out and I told you I owed for that. You got me sent to exile, I found the special idol, and then we all know how that went down. That was a big move for you and I'm sorry we never got to connect once the merge happened. alright so I think In order to be the sole survivor you need to do more than just play survivor. You need to respect and understand that. I feel that's what makes a good player, understanding what went wrong, what went right, and everything in between. So my question for both of you is this: I need each of you to give me three examples of important moves that highly influenced this game. They can be something you did, but just remember, I'm looking for an understanding of the game we just played , not essentially tooting your own horn. And the three examples don't have to be a good outcome, it could have been something bad that happened that's influenced the game. (Example, Tyson decided to vote for Parvati and destroyed his own Allaince in heroes vs villains). Thank you both and good luck! There were many moves that influenced this game. I'll combine two of them, the blindside of Ricardo and the blindside of Lizzie. I was left in the dark on both of those and Alex was for one I think, and we're both here. Do I think it was a good move? Potentially. It also showed me that I was one of the more underestimated players in that vireo alliance. But I'm here and most of them aren't. Who knows. Another big move, the third of my list, was JR voting for me rather than Hanna (if by some crazy chance it was actually Alex who voted for me, which I highly doubt, I apologize). At that point I realized that even though we had a great alliance that had propelled us all pretty far in the game, you still couldn't trust anyone completely. Another move people may not realize that had a huge magnitude was the elimination of Cole. That guy has a strong physical, social, and probably strategic game. He's a nice guy to everyone (outwardly, as much as I've seen) like I am, but he wasn't afraid to say what he had to boldly. So he could have been regarded as a Vegas favorite to win this game. But he didn't. Really, everything's a move. Me choosing to answer your question? That's a move. I hope I answered your question correctly. Cheers. 5 down, 2 to go.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 21:56:42 GMT -5
Sorry for taking so long I'm on vacation right now! To both of you: Why should I personally vote for you?
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Post by skbrettbug on Feb 13, 2015 22:21:16 GMT -5
Sorry for taking so long I'm on vacation right now! To both of you: Why should I personally vote for you? Cause I'm a nice guy. I didn't burn bridges and didn't set myself up to fail. I made no enemies, played a conservative game. I was loyal to my alliance. Never got too attached to anyone, didn't need to win challenges. Plus I think you have a cool name
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Post by Jacob on Feb 13, 2015 23:13:15 GMT -5
Sorry for taking so long I'm on vacation right now! To both of you: Why should I personally vote for you? You should vote for me because I feel that I played a better game, it's as simple as that. I think I am also a nice guy and was loyal and all that stuff, but as the topic of this jury questioning has been for the most part, I made more "strategic moves." When you look at social games I'd say we're about even, but I think I have the edge on strategic and physical. Thanks!
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Post by lizzie on Feb 14, 2015 0:20:41 GMT -5
My main comment is neither of you were particularly strategic. And at least Brett is owning his game that he was loyal was never a target and played almost like Natalie. Particularly a social game.
Alex is trying to say he was this strategic mastermind and made all these moves. Alex is a guy who had a little more time than us to find immunity idols and who doulc complete the challenges faster. That's why your'e there. If you came here and owned the fact that You won everything and crushed the game I'd probably give you a vote. But you're pretty much lying about your game right now.
Your "strategic moves" fell into your lap. I was not going until my confessional leaked that fell into your lap. I just think people should rethink whether you should win because you won more things. You seem to think you made all these moves, but, it goes to show how lacking your social game was. The people around you were making these moves and nobody wanted us out. We wanted you out. We just couldn't take you out because every round you had an idol or immunity. Own it Alex. You crushed the comps. You were the biggest threat as far as getting to f2 in this entire game. But, you were not the most strategic player and really made no moves other than choosing between your closest ally and the guy who voted against you.
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Post by Jacob on Feb 14, 2015 0:43:30 GMT -5
Lizzie what don't you get about this
When you got voted out, NOBODY knew I was playing an idol. If people wanted me out, that would've been the chance to do it. But no, people wanted you out instead, so stop acting like I don't deserve sh*t. The biggest move that had no part in making was taking Ricardo out, which I've ALREADY ADMITTED TO, but Brett didn't make it either.
And sorry that Brett wasn't a target because he literally did nothing for several rounds...he didn't compete in the challenges and just voted however people told him. I don't get how that qualifies as a good game, when there were people like me and you trying our hardest to stay in this game every round. Any day of the week I would much rather try and lose, than make it to the end by being useless/invisible and having nobody target me.
I've already owned up to winning stuff, hell I tied the record for most immunity wins in a season. I found 4 idols, used one to save you, and basically wasted the other 3. I've never claimed to be the mastermind of the game, but I sure as hell made more strategic moves than Brett. Your confessional was one thing that's relatively small in the whole course of the game, but it's all you seem to be able to talk about. I voted for you and Brett didn't, and apparently that makes ME the less strategic player? I think the logic needs to be rechecked on that one.
I'm not sure who the most strategic player in this game was, I don't think we had one mastermind who ran everything. But I've never claimed to be even one of the most strategic players, I've just said that COMPARED TO MY OPPONENT i had a better strategic game.
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Post by Nate on Feb 14, 2015 10:31:49 GMT -5
2/7 votes recieved. You have until tonight!
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Post by skbrettbug on Feb 14, 2015 10:42:23 GMT -5
2/7 votes recieved. You have until tonight! (for me, of course )
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Post by Nate on Feb 15, 2015 12:09:39 GMT -5
Reunion will take place at 2 pm site time starting with the vote reading. Try to be there!
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Post by Nate on Feb 15, 2015 14:04:26 GMT -5
Alright, jurors, it is time to vote. Remember, this time you are voting for a winner. Kyle, you're up first.
Kyle gets up to vote. He is shown holding up his vote, and then putting in the urn.
Afterwards, Robby walks up to the voting table, and holds up his vote.
"I wasn't looking for I'm a nice guy answer."
Ricardo walks over to the voting urn and places his vote in the urn. Lizzie walks up shortly after.
Lizzie quickly writes down her vote and puts it in the urn. Joey walks up to the voting urn and writes down his vote.
"He deserves to win." Joey puts the vote into the urn.
Hanna walks up afterwards and puts her vote in the urn. Finally, JR walks up to the table and puts up his vote to the camera.
"What can I say he played an okay game. But I was still the best!"
JR returns to the tribal area and sits down.
I'll go get the votes.
Nate leaves the tribal council area and returns shortly with the voting urn.
Thank you guys, for a wonderful season. I'd love to read the votes, but you'll have to wait till we get back to the states. Good night.
Nate picks up the urn and leaves the tribal council area.
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Post by Nate on Feb 15, 2015 14:08:32 GMT -5
Survivor: Bermuda - Reunion ShowNate enters the stage at the LIVE reunion in New York City, where the eighteen players are sitting on the stage by the fire. Nate walks to his podium and sets the votes down.
Welcome everyone, to the Survivor reunion. Tonight we will discuss the game with the players, announce the Player of the Season, Hero, Villain and America's Favorite, and we'll get some new information about the next season of Survivor, which is certain to be a big one. But before all of that, I will read the votes and announce the winner, which will either be Alex...
The audience cheers for Alex.
...or Brett.
The audience cheers for Brett.
Remember, these votes are for a winner. You want to see your name. I'll read the first vote...
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Post by Nate on Feb 15, 2015 14:10:09 GMT -5
Nate pulls out the first vote. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Alex.
The audience members begin to cheer and clap.
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Post by Jacob on Feb 15, 2015 14:10:34 GMT -5
GL BRETT!
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Post by skbrettbug on Feb 15, 2015 14:10:52 GMT -5
Good luck, Alex. It's been fun.
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Post by Nate on Feb 15, 2015 14:11:06 GMT -5
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The audience members continue to cheer.
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