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Post by briqsquad on Oct 5, 2015 13:36:36 GMT -5
Im pretty sure in his ama lex admitted to being bitter af. He still tried to justify why the Ethan vote and his vote off were different, which it wasn't.
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Post by Nate on May 29, 2016 10:47:54 GMT -5
Rudy's face when Jenna tells him he can't drink the water before it's boiled
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Post by Nate on May 30, 2016 23:48:22 GMT -5
All-Stars Ethan >>>>> Africa Ethan
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Post by Brooke on May 30, 2016 23:52:40 GMT -5
All-Stars Ethan >>>>> Africa Ethan But then they got dumb....keeping Amber is the worst decision ever.
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Post by Nate on May 30, 2016 23:54:37 GMT -5
All-Stars Ethan >>>>> Africa Ethan But then they got dumb....keeping Amber is the worst decision ever. I've seen this season going on three times now and I still have no idea why Amber was brought back. Francesqua is a more relevant two-time player than her.
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Post by Brooke on May 30, 2016 23:58:33 GMT -5
But then they got dumb....keeping Amber is the worst decision ever. I've seen this season going on three times now and I still have no idea why Amber was brought back. Francesqua is a more relevant two-time player than her. It's more than likely because of availability. Looking back, they brought back TONS from Australia. Boston Rob as well. He didn't even make the jury. I would think "All-Stars" make good players, but they needed filler (Amber/Jenna/Alicia) and character (Rob, Rupert, Sue).
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Post by Nate on May 31, 2016 0:02:24 GMT -5
I've seen this season going on three times now and I still have no idea why Amber was brought back. Francesqua is a more relevant two-time player than her. It's more than likely because of availability. Looking back, they brought back TONS from Australia. Boston Rob as well. He didn't even make the jury. I would think "All-Stars" make good players, but they needed filler (Amber/Jenna/Alicia) and character (Rob, Rupert, Sue). Yeah I think a lot of it had to do with who was most active in the Survivor community at the time too. Whenever I hear about casting, it seemed like the group of people casted already knew what the group would be for the most part because they did events and stuff together. Idk who that applies to but it would explain some of the casting choices.
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Post by Jhonmarco on May 31, 2016 0:48:12 GMT -5
I think they just wanted s lot of people from their most popular season in australia. I didn't think Amber was that forgettable tbh.
Also yeah its like every returnees season you see a finalist who has a much harder time in a returnee season be really fun to watch like Ethan here or Tom on HvV or Woo in Second Chance. Hopefully you end up liking this season more than I do though, because I think it's one of the worst and has one of the worst boot orders ever.
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Post by Nate on May 31, 2016 8:19:00 GMT -5
I think they just wanted s lot of people from their most popular season in australia. I didn't think Amber was that forgettable tbh. Also yeah its like every returnees season you see a finalist who has a much harder time in a returnee season be really fun to watch like Ethan here or Tom on HvV or Woo in Second Chance. Hopefully you end up liking this season more than I do though, because I think it's one of the worst and has one of the worst boot orders ever. I feel like I've always liked this season more than most seem to but it's still bottom half for sure.
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Post by Nate on Jun 2, 2016 22:06:22 GMT -5
Two seasons, Queen Kathy does a f*cking beautiful job at playing the game and gets shafted. When is she returning again.
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Post by Jhonmarco on Jun 2, 2016 22:22:20 GMT -5
I don't remember that much, but what did Kathy do that was so good? I know her and lex were a pair, but apparently she really pushed for keeping Amber which killed her and Lex's games.
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Post by Nate on Jun 2, 2016 22:28:19 GMT -5
I don't remember that much, but what did Kathy do that was so good? I know her and lex were a pair, but apparently she really pushed for keeping Amber which killed her and Lex's games. Lex seemed to be the one who really wanted to keep Amber. She didn't really object though, so she deserves blame as well. However, she was the power player up until the merge when Rob screwed her and Lex. In my opinion, she had the best social game until the merge.
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Post by Jhonmarco on Jun 2, 2016 22:30:59 GMT -5
Yeah I'm going off what Lex said in his AMA. I loved her in Marquesas, disliked her in All Stars, I'm interested in what a Kathy return would look like now.
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Post by Nate on Jun 2, 2016 22:47:07 GMT -5
What are people's thoughts on Jenna Lewis? I've never really understood the hate she gets for this season. I thought she played a pretty decent game, despite the whole "winners need to leave asap" bullsh*t, which personal opinions aside, isn't a bad strategy to have at first. She probably would've beaten Rob or Amber in the end too, maybe not Rob, but I'm guessing he'd still have a lot of bitterness against him.
I guess it also depends on how annoying people actually found her too cuz I'm remembering now that she rubs people the wrong way, especially towards the end.
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Post by Jhonmarco on Jun 2, 2016 23:32:35 GMT -5
She mildly annoyed me with the winners must go sh*t, even if it was good strategy, she just contributed to this hate boner against winners and/or all the big stars and helped make the postmerge so boring.
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Post by Nate on Jun 5, 2016 1:33:57 GMT -5
1. Pearl Islands No surprise here, this season remains my favorite out of the OG seasons after the rewatch. While some would say the Outcast twist tainted this season a lot, I would say it only did a little. It wasn't THAT big of a deal and Burton and Lill both brought a lot to the game so who cares. Aside from that, the cast was amazing with plenty of great characters, some who I'd still love to see return, and the game also took a HUGE turn towards strategy and blindsides that the Amazon only grazed with Rob. Fun to watch from start to finish and one of the greatest seasons in Survivor history.
2. Marquesas I really don't remember liking this season as much the first time I watched it, but it was so good the second time around. The cast is arguably the weakest out of the four so far, but still has a great cast, all the way down to the pre-merge boots as well. It had a lot of great game-changing moments like the first merge flip, Hunter's early elimination, the rock draw...and Kathy made this such a great season with support from Rob (who I actually wish had made it further this season) and Sean (despite the unnecessary god and race comments he made). Great season in all aspects.
3. Borneo While it may have been one of the least conventionally exciting seasons ever, it was still the first season, and with the cast as amazing as it was, it made up for the lack of strategy and actual playing of the game. I think what sets it apart from Australian Outback is that it's the OG season and Richard, Sue, Rudy and Kelly are the most amazing Final Four in the history of Survivor.
4. Africa It's weird because on my original watch of this season, I wasn't a huge fan and thought the first two seasons were for sure better, but after rewatching it, it's actually a really good season. Once again, casting did so good this time, possibly the best so far actually. There were so many good characters throughout both phases of the game, with Silas and Lindsey being fun to watch, and then the entire merge tribe was great, especially the final five. Also had the best merge game of any season so far, with Teresa and Lex keeping things interestng even if it was a straightforward vote.
5. The Amazon I remembered thinking this season was meh overall, and for the most part I'm still in that mindset. I think there were a decent amount of duds in this cast, and I got irritated with a lot of players. I think this season was saved by the really smart Guys vs. Girls format that I think had a huge part in the enormous amount of new grounds of the game explored strategically speaking. The biggest shift yet towards strategic gameplay and blindsiding saved a season that was one of the weakest cast-wise.
6. Australian Outback This season had a great pre-merge, but the post-merge was very boring. While this season also benefitted from a very strong cast, I think Borneo's cast was stronger overall. It also seemed to actually digress rather than progress in the amount of game playing there was, taking out the advantage this cast had of knowing how the game works, while in Borneo they were literally thrown into unknown territory and had to figure it out for themselves.
7. All-Stars This is one of the best casts Survivor has ever had, and that's pretty much the sole reason it's above Thailand. It had it's moments, the pre-merge was decent, the merge episode was dramatic and it's probably the most lit final tribal council of all time, but that doesn't make up for the incredibly boring post-merge game and the fact that all of the players that I was rooting for were out first. I don't know about others, but the Romber storyline was not fun to watch and I hated that they made it to the final two together. Definitely worse on the rewatch.
8. Thailand This season gets a very bad rap and tbh it deserves like 80% of the hate. It's not AS bad of a season as people like to make it out to be, but maybe it's because I enjoy watching disgusting human beings being themselves, which there were plenty of. The fact that this season is ridden with horrible human beings (Brian, Clay, Robb) and then a bunch of insufferable people (Ghandia, Robb, and even Shii Ann kinda) along with a bunch of no-names makes this easily the worst cast so far. Pros are the winner being a great manipulator, Shii Ann screwing herself over, and the b*tchiest FTC yet, but none of these things can save the otherwise lackluster season.
1. Brian Heidik Despite me having Brian at #1, I don't see him staying this high when I get deeper into the series. He's a strong winner, nevertheless. He played his entire tribe like puppets and despite the fact that they called him out in confessionals, nobody ever entertained the fact of taking him out. The fact that a horrible person like Brian can be this fake and trick fifteen other people to basically do whatever he wants without even realizing it makes him probably the best winner of the pre-All-Stars group. He was ahead of his time and really f*cked sh*t up. However, the 4-3 vote against an almost equally as awful person at the FTC and his lack of knowledge of the other players as people instead of pawns will take him down in my list in the future.
2. Richard Hatch To have the winner of the very first season, where nobody knew anything about the game before playing, be such a witty and manipulative person is amazing. Hatch had a firm grip on the game, but of course he also had many flaws on top of this. However, compared to Tina, they both had the social game, but Richard had the strategy to overpower her game.
3. Sandra Diaz-Twine (Pearl Islands) I know this may be controversial to put her this high, but she actually played a great game in Pearl Islands. Sure, she was obviously confrontational which isn't ever necessarily a good strategy, but she was confrontational with the people it mattered to be that way with. One of the biggest things that makes Sandra stand out to me as a great player is her read on people. She knows who the bad eggs are even when nobody is aware, but she's always there when they finally come around OR in both of her cases, seeing she "had their best interest" in mind all game, and thus rewarding her with the jury vote. The Queen of UTR and the Queen of Survivor.
4. Tina Wesson Tina's social game is one of the best in Survivor history easily, however, beyond that, Tina really didn't do any strategic work to get to the end. Not to mention, Colby had much more control over how the game was going to go than Tina did. Tina played a solid game for the time she was playing, but not strong enough to be high up on the list.
5. Ethan Zohn He gets a lot of credit in the TEOS podcast, and by fans in general I feel but I'm not entirely sure why he got SO much credit. He's a strong winner for sure, but he lacked in social game, confirmed by many of the players. He did pick the right people to trust and align himself with though, and he had a good enough social game to get him to the end, and there were definitely strategic moves he made throughout the game.
6. Vecepia Towery I do think Vecepia is underrated. She played a very under-the-radar game, but that isn't a game to be ashamed of. She made a lot of subtle smart moves like sitting back and distancing herself when Sean and Rob became targets pre-merge, but still keeping a working relationship with Sean for later, and also making sure she knew everyone's story, interests, etc, which eventually helped her win the jury's votes. However, she just simply didn't play a strong enough game to beat Tina or Richard, however her and Ethan are close in my opinion.
7. Jenna Morasca There were times where Jenna seemed to know what she was doing, like with manipulating the men, but more often she seemed to have the strategic/social awareness of a toddler. She complained constantly, often about things that everyone had to go through, which rubbed people the wrong way, and she just seemed overall self-involved and immature. Heidi was definitely the stronger player of the two "cute girls" and I don't feel like Jenna is a strong winner. However, positives to her game was her social manipulation and her general awareness of what was happening, aside from how she was perceived by the other castaways.
8. Amber Brkich What's funny is as I was watching, I started off thinking I might have to rethink my opinion that Amber is possibly the worst winner of all time, but as the season progressed, it just slowly and disappointingly led right back to that opinion. She seemed to be supported for her gameplay by some of the other players, and one could make a stretch and say that she knew what she was doing going to the end with Rob, but it becomes very clear at the end that she is no more aware than Rob is that he's a good pawn to hide behind to the end, and instead she just wanted him in the end because of their relationship. Her FTC performance is also one of the worst ever in my opinion and every time she spoke, I just didn't ever feel like I was watching a winner, if that makes sense.
Awards
Player of the Season: Boston Rob, though v flawed Favorite of the Season: Kathy Hero of the Season: Rupert Villain of the Season: BRob
Best Moments: - The completely OTT final tribal council, Lex and Kathy's shame fest, Tom's jumbled mess of a speech with the classic line "Don't be stupid, stupid" <3 - Sue yelling at Jeff - Alicia's meltdown after the Touchy Subjects challenge leading to her vote-off lmao - Richard vs. Shark - Ethan's storyline
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Post by Nate on Jun 5, 2016 1:35:07 GMT -5
I'm so hecking excited that I get to rewatch my first favorite season now <3
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Post by Jhonmarco on Jun 5, 2016 14:04:38 GMT -5
I'm so hecking excited that I get to rewatch my first favorite season now <3 Replying to this so you get a notification but don't wanna quote that big wall of text. I don't disagree with Amber being last at this point in the rankings but more in the reasons. I didn't think her FTC was weak at all and I think humility and answering questions like luck helped her win the game was exactly the perfect call with that jury with a lot of bruised egos. Talking herself up or anything like that wouldn't have won their votes imo. I always saw Amber as playing an inferior version of Natalie White game: won second time around, had ultimate protection from her intimate relationship with Rob, seen as the lesser of two evils and people didn't actively want to vote for her and she just barely beat one of the bigger goats of survivor up to that point. This is also why I wouldn't give Rob player of the season because it was almost like watching Russell all over again with burning jury votes.
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Post by Phil on Jun 5, 2016 14:19:14 GMT -5
What are people's thoughts on Jenna Lewis? I've never really understood the hate she gets for this season. I thought she played a pretty decent game, despite the whole "winners need to leave asap" bullsh*t, which personal opinions aside, isn't a bad strategy to have at first. She probably would've beaten Rob or Amber in the end too, maybe not Rob, but I'm guessing he'd still have a lot of bitterness against him. I guess it also depends on how annoying people actually found her too cuz I'm remembering now that she rubs people the wrong way, especially towards the end. I haaaated Jenna Lewser because she's annoying and she f*cking adored Poopert. Also she was a huge b*tch to sh*t-Ann who I liked. Also I've always loved Romber smilesmile
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Post by Nate on Jun 5, 2016 15:01:15 GMT -5
I'm so hecking excited that I get to rewatch my first favorite season now <3 Replying to this so you get a notification but don't wanna quote that big wall of text. I don't disagree with Amber being last at this point in the rankings but more in the reasons. I didn't think her FTC was weak at all and I think humility and answering questions like luck helped her win the game was exactly the perfect call with that jury with a lot of bruised egos. Talking herself up or anything like that wouldn't have won their votes imo. I always saw Amber as playing an inferior version of Natalie White game: won second time around, had ultimate protection from her intimate relationship with Rob, seen as the lesser of two evils and people didn't actively want to vote for her and she just barely beat one of the bigger goats of survivor up to that point. This is also why I wouldn't give Rob player of the season because it was almost like watching Russell all over again with burning jury votes. I thought her saying luck had to do with her win was smart, but her delivery was extremely unconvincing and you could tell in the juror's faces that they wanted her to give them good reasons to vote for her and she was doing a pretty bad job. She just didn't have the delivery of a winner, more like the delivery of an Amanda. She sounded like she didn't give a f*ck who won.
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