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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 16:48:04 GMT -5
HOLLY: Why did you have to lie to get your way? Why do you want to "embrace the villain side"?
I lied to people because it's a lot more secure for me, it's not nice by any means, but it was effective in getting so far into the game. It allowed me to obtain power and a level of control over where the game was headed, and I made sure I always had at least a finger on every player's game. I also wanted to get to know everybody and make friends, but that means that I had to lie to my friends about the game that was going on because they were threatening and they could have easily taken me out had I been honest. I also mentioned embracing the villain's side not because it's fun to be deceitful, but because the villains are the one who are more commonly playing the strategic games and more often making the big moves in the game, which I wanted to embrace as a player.
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Post by Daniel on Aug 20, 2013 16:54:44 GMT -5
Great questions so far, thanks guys! I will answer them as soon as I wake up in the morning before work (that is, 2am-ish site time). Sorry to keep you waiting a bit but I hope you understand as it's almost midnight for me.
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Post by Magnum on Aug 20, 2013 17:04:30 GMT -5
Daniel, what was your rationale for taking Holly to the Final 2 over Kailey? Do you believe your chances of winning are better against Holly, or was it done to stay loyal/keep your word?
Holly, if you would've won the Final immunity would you have taken Daniel over Kailey? Who do you believe your chances were better against?
Daniel & Holly, If the criteria to win the game was based on these three aspects: social game, strategic game, and competitions. Explain why you believe you outplayed your opposition in at least two of the three.
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Post by Outlast on Aug 20, 2013 17:04:51 GMT -5
I'll start off by saying this is a tough vote for me. I don't really feel like voting for either of you as A. Me and Daniel never really talked on a personal level (obviously its a two-way street) and B. Holly gave me the trust I'd given to her. I have no idea who to vote for, you guys played on different spectrums of the game, but to be honest, you both played well. Holly you ended up being the HBIC, Daniel you were a challenge god. I'll decide based of your jury answers.
Holly, you compared me to Tyson who I love and is probably in my Top 5 or 10 players ever, but kissing my butt isn't gonna get you my vote. You apologized for what you did, and I accept that, but I', still mad about what you did to me. The real slap in the face was when you tried to make it seem like me getting voted out was b/c I was "putting words into your mouth". I trusted you, I wanted to play with you, and to be completely honest to guys that I were my allies in Jimmy and Stan, I probably would've taken Holly to F2 just b/c the jury seemed to hate her, but that didn't mean that I didn't see you and everyone else as a a friend. Why turn on me, why turn on the F4 we had with myself, you, Stan, and Jimmy, and why do it in such a ruthless way, especially with nothing like a Hidden Immunity Idol to get in the way of your plans? Also, what do you feel was your best move in this game?
Daniel,from my view and the view of many others, you came off as a follower. I should've seen it when you voted out Stan with Holly, but you guys just threw it under the rug and tried to make it seem like you had to do it, which wasn't really true, you guys could've forced a tie at F6 with Kailey. I feel you would've been gone awhile ago, but I'm not sure seeing you and Holly were soooo close. My question is, did you do anything that wasn't influenced by Holly, other than winning a busload of immunities? Also, on a scale of 1-10, rate each merge members game, please, and thank you.
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Post by Brooke on Aug 20, 2013 17:12:23 GMT -5
Congrats to the two of you for making it to the finals.
HOLLY: Why did you throwaway your vote the week I was voted off and not have the balls to vote me out? Was it just to try and get a vote? And whose idea was it to tell me I was voted off for being a threat when I was never really a threat in this game?
DANIEL: My question is basically the same that everyone else has made. Did you do anything other than win competitions. And what role did you play in the Holly/Kailey alliance? We're any ideas initiated by you?
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 17:26:23 GMT -5
Holly, if you would've won the Final immunity would you have taken Daniel over Kailey? Who do you believe your chances were better against?
I think I would have taken Kailey, not just because she would have been much easier to beat in the finals, but because she was my very first friend and ally in this game, and I really feel like I owed it to her for all we did together, but it still would have been a very tough decision.
Daniel & Holly, If the criteria to win the game was based on these three aspects: social game, strategic game, and competitions. Explain why you believe you outplayed your opposition in at least two of the three.
Well, Daniel played an amazing game for himself, I was actually very impressed the whole way through with him.
But I feel like I outplayed him strategically, because I made sure that I was always at the front of the decision-making. I'm not narcissistic enough to think I was the only person making moves, but I was still making a lot of moves in this game from start to finish. I consulted Daniel and Kailey because I didn't want to make a decision they were totally uncomfortable with, which leads me to my social game.
My Social game was a little shaky at times, but I attempted to make sure that everyone felt they could trust me and come talk to me about any plans they were having, and i also made sure that my closest allies were safe and trusted me as much as I could get them to, and I never betrayed them in return. The fact that I'm sitting here right now should attest to that, because Daniel liked and respected me enough to not vote me out last night. I was always friendly to everybody in this game as a person. I feel like I may have outplayed him socially because I was always trying to talk to everybody and being as friendly and fun as I could be as a person.
In regards to the Challenges, Daniel obviously had me beat, but I wasn't useless in them either, I had a few poor performances early in the merge, but aside from those, I feel like more often than not, I was always in it, and placed 2nd 3rd or 4th in most of them, plus I like to think I was a big asset in most of the tribal challenges for Sambora.
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 17:40:29 GMT -5
Holly, you compared me to Tyson who I love and is probably in my Top 5 or 10 players ever, but kissing my butt isn't gonna get you my vote. You apologized for what you did, and I accept that, but I', still mad about what you did to me. The real slap in the face was when you tried to make it seem like me getting voted out was b/c I was "putting words into your mouth". I trusted you, I wanted to play with you, and to be completely honest to guys that I were my allies in Jimmy and Stan, I probably would've taken Holly to F2 just b/c the jury seemed to hate her, but that didn't mean that I didn't see you and everyone else as a a friend. Why turn on me, why turn on the F4 we had with myself, you, Stan, and Jimmy, and why do it in such a ruthless way, especially with nothing like a Hidden Immunity Idol to get in the way of your plans? Also, what do you feel was your best move in this game?
Okay, the Stan voteout, here's where things get a little tricky. My plan with very early one was a sort of 4-person newbie alliance within a 6-person alliance Brooke and I planned at one point. Things of course changed and alliances shifted, but eventually settled into the 5 of us who became the final 5. Within that 5-person alliance, I had security and power, and Stan threatened that by creating the 4-person alliance that my two biggest allies, Kailey and Daniel were not a part of. Also by this point I had made my promise for F3 with them. I had always feared the boys getting the power of their numbers, and to me, that F4 deal not only screwed me out of my two biggest allies, but it also separated my intended F5 plan of us newbies and it made me feel uneasy because there were three boys and just me in it. Stan also getting anywhere close to the end was scary because he was probably going to get a lot of jury votes.
I also saw you as a friend, frankly, I saw you all as friends, and I'd like to continue those friendships afterward, no matter what the outcome, because I for one, genuinely liked all of you. And That whole 'words in the mouth' thing to me, after thinking about it, it really seemed like a three-way miscommunication, and that late in the game, it created a lot more doubt and fear which lead to me being incredibly suspicious. I don't think either you or Jimmy were at fault there, it was mostly just my paranoia mixed with a few poorly worded things on all three of our parts that lead to such craziness, but I don't think you were to blame at all, at the time I did, but I know you weren't.
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 17:45:07 GMT -5
HOLLY: Why did you throwaway your vote the week I was voted off and not have the balls to vote me out? Was it just to try and get a vote? And whose idea was it to tell me I was voted off for being a threat when I was never really a threat in this game?
My mindset at the time wasn't cowardice, it was loyalty in regards to my promises. Early on we made a promise that we would never vote each other out, and we had both hinted that we could get each other out and we would still respect one another, but we also agreed to never vote each other out, and I held true to that promise because I used the word promise, and to me that word means everything.
I never thought of you as this gigantic scary game-monster everyone else seemed to think of you as, but I knew you had a strategic mind and were certainly very capable of controlling the game easily, that's what threatened me personally. I think everybody thought of you as a threat based on your history, but from talking to you about the game, the only thing I felt unsafe about was that, the fact that you are capable of being an extremely good player.
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Post by Brooke on Aug 20, 2013 17:55:39 GMT -5
Holly, do you not want to throw anyone under the bus? Or do you not want to own up to it? Who's overall idea was it to vote me out? If it was yours I just want to know.
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Post by JC on Aug 20, 2013 17:58:31 GMT -5
Actually, I wanna know that too. Who had the brilliant idea to get me out? Cause I've heard many different things.
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 17:58:54 GMT -5
Holly, do you not want to throw anyone under the bus? Or do you not want to own up to it? Who's overall idea was it to vote me out? If it was yours I just want to know. It was my idea to have you voted out at 7 because it meant I had the numbers on my side to get you out without ever breaking our promise of not voting each other out. You had been Kailey's, Jimmy's and Outlast's biggest targets to my knowledge from about the final 9 onward. But I made sure I could have the numbers to not have to physically vote you out. People can see it as cowardly if they want, but i see it as keeping my promise to you.
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 18:02:23 GMT -5
Actually, I wanna know that too. Who had the brilliant idea to get me out? Cause I've heard many different things. The funny thing about your vote, was that I was okay with it, and I went with it, but I wasn't even aggressive that week, I sat back and let Outlast and Jimmy target you, because I felt at the time like the voteout of Superboy was due in large part to my campaigning to get rid of him after Daniel won immunity that week. But even though that time I sat back a little so people wouldn't see me as a power player that early, I still took all the blame for it, because there was no convincing anyone otherwise anyway.
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Post by JC on Aug 20, 2013 18:16:14 GMT -5
Actually, I wanna know that too. Who had the brilliant idea to get me out? Cause I've heard many different things. The funny thing about your vote, was that I was okay with it, and I went with it, but I wasn't even aggressive that week, I sat back and let Outlast and Jimmy target you, because I felt at the time like the voteout of Superboy was due in large part to my campaigning to get rid of him after Daniel won immunity that week. But even though that time I sat back a little so people wouldn't see me as a power player that early, I still took all the blame for it, because there was no convincing anyone otherwise anyway. If this is true then why were you mad at jimmy for telling me I was being voted out?
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Post by kailey on Aug 20, 2013 18:17:34 GMT -5
Congratulations to you both for making the final two! I personally have no issues with either of you or how either of you played your individual game. (Although I am very surprised to hear it was Holly that threw away the vote the week Brooke got voted out) Anyways, my question probably won't be as exciting as the others. My question to both of you is, Can you each name ONE thing that you are proud of doing during the game, and also ONE thing you each regret doing.
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 18:19:27 GMT -5
The funny thing about your vote, was that I was okay with it, and I went with it, but I wasn't even aggressive that week, I sat back and let Outlast and Jimmy target you, because I felt at the time like the voteout of Superboy was due in large part to my campaigning to get rid of him after Daniel won immunity that week. But even though that time I sat back a little so people wouldn't see me as a power player that early, I still took all the blame for it, because there was no convincing anyone otherwise anyway. If this is true then why were you mad at jimmy for telling me I was being voted out? Because as a 5 we were supposed to be solid and take equal blame for the vote-outs and him telling you put all the blood on my hands. I feel like his game was being played off of me, but being proactive enough to force all the blood on my hands.
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 18:23:08 GMT -5
Can you each name ONE thing that you are proud of doing during the game, and also ONE thing you each regret doing.
The thing I'm the most proud of during the game is the whole game. I played hard, I played mercilessly, and I made sure I always had power and made sure others didn't have power. To me I feel like that was a great strategic game. What I regret doing the most was hurting people's feelings along the way, because contrary to popular belief, I don't get any joy out of hurting people. But I'm not going to regret playing the way I did because it's just a game, and I came to win, and did everything I could possibly do to get to the end, regardless of how anybody feels about it.
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 20, 2013 20:25:33 GMT -5
Should I post my closing statement now? Or after Daniel answers his questions?
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Post by hollylockets on Aug 21, 2013 0:06:17 GMT -5
(I'm gonna post my closing statement before I head off to bed)
Okay, thank you all for your comments and questions, it really gave me a good perspective on how we all played this game.
I'm not going to apologize for how I played this game. I lied and manipulated and got myself to the end of the game. I made sure I had total control over what was happening with everybody, and I'm the reason every single one of you is sitting there, perhaps barring Kailey because that was Daniel's decision last night. But from Superboy to Jimmy, when I wanted each of you gone, you went. That's the game I played. I respect each and every one of you as a player and as a person, but I played each and every one of you.
I'm not narcissistic enough to think I'm this all-powerful goddess of Survivor like people have thought they were in seasons past, but I played a good game, a game I'm proud of, and a game that got me all the way to the end, no matter what twists were thrown my way, and no matter how many peopel tried to target me. So if you can stomach all of that, and still can look at me as a player, and somebody who played well, then please, I ask you to give me a vote.
Goodnight.
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Post by Daniel on Aug 21, 2013 1:17:24 GMT -5
Gonna get my first coffee and get this thing started
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Post by Daniel on Aug 21, 2013 1:51:39 GMT -5
Daniel, did you make any big moves in this game that Holly or someone else did not initiate? Because to the rest of you you just followed her around like a little lost puppy dog. Daniel. You have a nice resume. I feel like you lost the game with who you took the finals though. However I suspect that you did a lot more than what you appeared to do and I don't think you were carried to the end. Holly may have been the vocal leader and messaged every member of the game 100 times but that doesn't mean she ran you. I don't know for sure but it's just what I suspect. So my question for you to name some moves that were your idea and not hers? Basically I want to see if you can show me and the other jurors that you were more than a vote in this game. JC and Jimmy, since your questions pretty much come down to same, I will do this in one answer so I don't repeat myself too much. It might become a long read but I'll try to keep it short. First of all I want to say that I think there are two types of moves: forming alliances and more subtle ones like initializing a vote to get someone out. I did not form any alliances, I simply didn't have the knowledge about the cast, ie. who was a newbie and who wasn't, who was with whom, stuff like that. Most credits on that one go to Holly. I did make more subtle moves that I think deserve credit, but ultimately that's up to you. - At the Final 9, first the vote was going to be Magnum. Then Outlast brought up voting JC instead. This is when I voiced my concerns that the boys could be sticking together, since it would actually leave the opportunity for Jimmy and Outlast to work with Magnum/Stan down the road. This ultimately led to Holly forming the side alliance with Brooke and Magnum. - At the Final 8, the three of us were in two alliances of five. Kailey was in favor voting Brooke. I was however the one to give several arguments in favor of getting Stan out that round because he was the only person we weren't directly aligned with. Then Holly agreed with ME, not the other way around Then a couple of more straightforward votes followed I think. We were in favor of sticking with the newbies alliance and Kailey really wanted Brooke out. Then Magnum, Outlast, Jimmy were voted out simply because of our F3 deal so no big moves were to make there. However, I do feel I did two things on my own in the last two rounds. - Throughout the game I had built enough trust with Holly and Kailey for them to keep me until the very end. The chances of me winning the final immunity challenge were pretty good, meaning that if I did, one of them wouldn't make it to the end. They were involved in several F3 deals, but ultimately kept me who had a good chance of winning the Final challenge. In order to prove this, and this was a controversial move I guess, I threw the F4 challenge to Holly. I recognized the egg right away. It also proved that I didn't necessarily need immunity wins to get here, there was more to my game. - Finally, at the Final 3 my move was to take Holly, out of sheer loyalty. You can consider that a bad move, but it was a big move that I made myself. I don't usually have a lot of respect for finalists who take the easy beat, and therefore don't automatically do that myself. ------------------------------------- Tldr: biggest moves = stan vote, throwing immunity F4, F3 decision.
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