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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2014 5:08:21 GMT -5
David Jacoby from Grantland, in an article some time ago, came up with a player efficiency rating for the challenge and here were the results he got: The system he came up with is obviously flawed (link here), considering guys like Ace and Syrus are like top 15 for the males. I read the formula he had for the challenger PER's and I didn't understand it really well. But it's kind of interesting, and if done right, I'm sure we can come up with a very good formula.
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Post by Jgrubl on May 17, 2014 21:35:06 GMT -5
David Jacoby from Grantland, in an article some time ago, came up with a player efficiency rating for the challenge and here were the results he got: The system he came up with is obviously flawed (link here), considering guys like Ace and Syrus are like top 15 for the males. I read the formula he had for the challenger PER's and I didn't understand it really well. But it's kind of interesting, and if done right, I'm sure we can come up with a very good formula. And no Mark either. I think he would be cool to come up with some type of formula
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 19:23:26 GMT -5
Top 5 all time (no order)
CT Landon Johnny Evan Kenny
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Post by jsmith33317 on May 31, 2014 11:02:08 GMT -5
Top 5 all time (no order) CT Landon Johnny Evan Kenny no mark or Darrell?
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 1, 2014 2:59:00 GMT -5
Top 5 all time (no order) CT Landon Johnny Evan Kenny disagree. Came up wuth a formula that ill post later
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Post by TotallyKyle on Jun 1, 2014 15:23:58 GMT -5
Top 5 all time (no order) CT Landon Johnny Evan Kenny no mark or Darrell? Or Preston?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 19:00:15 GMT -5
Top 5 all time (no order) CT Landon Johnny Evan Kenny disagree. Came up wuth a formula that ill post later I disagree with whatever list you have also.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2014 19:41:15 GMT -5
Briq, post your list and formula.
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 1, 2014 21:26:37 GMT -5
Briq, post your list and formula. making some final touches
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 5, 2014 19:01:26 GMT -5
I believe to be the Greatest Challenge Player, one has to demonstrate success in each category. The categories are competition, wins, and politics. Politics are dissected into two categories which are social and strategy. Strategy is kind of vague on the challenges, some are great with strategic moves in competition and some are great strategically in the house with whom to align and who to throw in to benefit their own standings in the house. So the two types of strategy are in competitions and in the house. Competitions are out of ten points, wins are how many one has, and politics are out of twenty points. Being a great challenger allows yourself to be in the best position possible so if you are a challenger who has quit, got in a fight or thrown an elimination round you will be deducted -.5 pts. If the challengers are tied in overall points, the challenger with the best political score wins the tiebreaker and if that's a tie it comes down to wins. With that being said here are the top ten males and top ten females.
Competitions are scored by the greatest competitors threads, for example 1-5 10pts, 6-10 9.5pts, 11-15 9pts etc...
Top Ten Females:
1. Coral Smith Competition: 9 Social: 10 Wins: 1 Strategy/house: 5 strategy/competition: 4 Quit on Gauntlet 3: -.5 Overall score: 28.5
2. Susie Meister Competition: 8.5 Social: 9.5 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 5 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall score: 28.5
3. Emily Bailey Competition: 10 Social: 9.5 Wins: 0 Strategy:/house: 5 Strategy/competition:4 Quit on Battle of the sexes: -.5 Overall score: 28
4. Veronica Portillio Competition: 9.5 Social: 8 Wins: 3 Strategy/house: 4 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall score: 28
5. Evelyn Smith Competition: 10 Social: 7 Wins: 3 Strategy/house: 4.5 Strategy/competition: 4 Threw elimination on Ruins: -.5 Overall score: 28
6. Rachel Robinson Competition: 10 Social: 8.5 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 3.5 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall Score: 27.5
7. Tori Fiorenza Competition: 9 Social: 8.5 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 4.5 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall Score: 27
8. Sarah Rice Competition: 9 Social: 9.5 Wins: 0 Strategy/house: 3.5 Strategy/competition: 4 Overall score: 26
9. Holly Shand Competition: 10 Social: 9 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 3 Strategy/competition: 3 Overall Score: 26
10. Ruthie Alcaide Competition: 9.5 Social: 9.5 Wins: 0 Strategy/house: 2.5 Strategy/competition: 4.5 Overall score: 26
Honorable Mentions: Kina Dean, Emily Schromm, Jenn Grijalva, Laurel Stuckey, and Diem Brown.
Top Ten Males
1. Johnny Bananas Competition: 8 Social: 8 Wins: 5 Strategy/house: 4.5 Strategy/Competition: 5 Overall Score: 30.5
1. Mark Long Competition: 10 Social: 10 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 4 Strategy/competition: 5 Gave up spot on Battle of the Sexes 2: -.5 Overall Score: 30.5
3. Kenny Santucci Competition: 7 Social: 10 Wins:3 Strategy/house: 5 Strategy/competition: 4 Overall Score: 29
4. Darrell Taylor Competition: 9 Social: 10 Wins: 4 Strategy/house: 3.5 Strategy/competition: 3 Got in fight on the Ruins: -.5 Overall Score: 29
5. Theo Vonn Competition: 10 Social: 9.5 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 4 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall Score: 28.5
6. Dan Setzler Competition: 10 Social: 9.5 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 3.5 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall Score: 28.5
7. Evan Starkman Competition: 9 Social: 8.5 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 5 Strategy/competition: 4 Threw elimination round on Rivals: -.5 Overall Score: 28
8. Landon Lueck Competition:10 Social: 8.5 Wins: 3 Strategy/house: 2.5 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall Score: 27.5
9 Mike "The Miz" Mizanin Competition: 9.5 Social: 8.5 Wins: 2 Strategy/house: 3.5 Strategy/competition: 3.5 Overall Score: 27
10.Derrick Kosinski Competition: 9.5 Social: 8.5 Wins: 3 Strategy/house: 2.5 Strategy/competition: 3 Overall Score: 27
Honorable Mentions: CT, Timmy Beggy, and Brad Fiorenza
Tell me what you think about this ratings system? Some scores are from a subjected POV.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 19:28:23 GMT -5
Mark is just well liked and respected by everyone as the god father so I don't agree with his strategy/house being that high? Also Kina should NOT be a 9 for competition.. those are my only complaints haha
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 19:28:49 GMT -5
Briq, I like the creativity, but I like my formula better (the one I had a while back on this thread).
I don't agree with Mark being #1. If you ever threw an elimination round, quit a season, or disqualified yourself by going against the rules, then that should be a bigger knock than just half a point in your system.
Landon not being in the top 5 is without a doubt false in my opinion. The guy is 3 for 4 in season wins (should've been 4 for 4), carried one of the WOATs to the final and won, his political game isn't strong, but his social game is good enough. He was Alton's secondhand man on the Gauntlet 2 and was always at the top of totem pole on the Duel 2, when it came to selections.
Here's my top ten for both males and females:
1. Kenny - say what you wanna say, competitions don't even speak much when talking "players". This guys social game and political game is out of this world, and no one comes close in those areas. 7 out of 8 finals, 3 for 3 wins. That's all I got to say. 2. Johnny 3. Evan 4. Darrell 5. Landon 6. Mike M. 7. Mark 8. Dan S. 9. Theo V. 10. Derrick 11. Brad 12. Abram 13. CT 14. Alton 15. Timmy
1. Susie - great social game, good competitor, 3 for 4 wins, and 4-0 in eliminations. 2. Coral - greatest social game of the females and very good competitor, but her quitting on the Gauntlet 3 knocks her down the 'best ever". 3. Veronica 4. Rachel 5. Evelyn 6. Emily B. 7. Laurel 8. Emily S.
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 5, 2014 20:11:23 GMT -5
Mark is just well liked and respected by everyone as the god father so I don't agree with his strategy/house being that high? Also Kina should NOT be a 9 for competition.. those are my only complaints haha I guess 3.5 could be a better score for Mark, its not only Mark makes it to the end but who he wants to be in the end with make it their also. And I thought kina was in the 11-15 range for the females?
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 5, 2014 20:14:45 GMT -5
Briq, I like the creativity, but I like my formula better (the one I had a while back on this thread). I don't agree with Mark being #1. If you ever threw an elimination round, quit a season, or disqualified yourself by going against the rules, then that should be a bigger knock than just half a point in your system. Landon not being in the top 5 is without a doubt false in my opinion. The guy is 3 for 4 in season wins (should've been 4 for 4), carried one of the WOATs to the final and won, his political game isn't strong, but his social game is good enough. He was Alton's secondhand man on the Gauntlet 2 and was always at the top of totem pole on the Duel 2, when it came to selections.
Here's my top ten for both males and females: 1. Kenny - say what you wanna say, competitions don't even speak much when talking "players". This guys social game and political game is out of this world, and no one comes close in those areas. 7 out of 8 finals, 3 for 3 wins. That's all I got to say. 2. Johnny 3. Evan 4. Darrell 5. Landon 6. Mike M. 7. Mark 8. Dan S. 9. Theo V. 10. Derrick 11. Brad 12. Abram 13. CT 14. Alton 15. Timmy 1. Susie - great social game, good competitor, 3 for 4 wins, and 4-0 in eliminations. 2. Coral - greatest social game of the females and very good competitor, but her quitting on the Gauntlet 3 knocks her down the 'best ever". 3. Veronica 4. Rachel 5. Evelyn 6. Emily B. 7. Laurel 8. Emily S. Landon is not a better challenge player overall than Mark, Bananas, Kenny Darrell, and Theo V. Only person that could squeeze in is probably Evan. These guys are all good socially, politically, and competitions. Landon lacks strategy compared to the top 5. Susie is 2 for 4 not 3 for 4.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 20:23:07 GMT -5
Mark is just well liked and respected by everyone as the god father so I don't agree with his strategy/house being that high? Also Kina should NOT be a 9 for competition.. those are my only complaints haha Kina on the gauntlet 2 proved that man. She dominated jillian in sticky sitution(underrated elimination IMO) and did very well in the duel 1 except for her elimination I guess
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 20:30:23 GMT -5
You guys could be right since I have not rewatched any of her seasons in like 2 years. On the gauntlet 2 her 3 eliminations were a joke since 2 of them quit and Jillian is clearly smaller than her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 20:43:10 GMT -5
Briq, I like the creativity, but I like my formula better (the one I had a while back on this thread). I don't agree with Mark being #1. If you ever threw an elimination round, quit a season, or disqualified yourself by going against the rules, then that should be a bigger knock than just half a point in your system. Landon not being in the top 5 is without a doubt false in my opinion. The guy is 3 for 4 in season wins (should've been 4 for 4), carried one of the WOATs to the final and won, his political game isn't strong, but his social game is good enough. He was Alton's secondhand man on the Gauntlet 2 and was always at the top of totem pole on the Duel 2, when it came to selections.
Here's my top ten for both males and females: 1. Kenny - say what you wanna say, competitions don't even speak much when talking "players". This guys social game and political game is out of this world, and no one comes close in those areas. 7 out of 8 finals, 3 for 3 wins. That's all I got to say. 2. Johnny 3. Evan 4. Darrell 5. Landon 6. Mike M. 7. Mark 8. Dan S. 9. Theo V. 10. Derrick 11. Brad 12. Abram 13. CT 14. Alton 15. Timmy 1. Susie - great social game, good competitor, 3 for 4 wins, and 4-0 in eliminations. 2. Coral - greatest social game of the females and very good competitor, but her quitting on the Gauntlet 3 knocks her down the 'best ever". 3. Veronica 4. Rachel 5. Evelyn 6. Emily B. 7. Laurel 8. Emily S. Landon is not a better challenge player overall than Mark, Bananas, Kenny Darrell, and Theo V. Only person that could squeeze in is probably Evan. These guys are all good socially, politically, and competitions. Landon lacks strategy compared to the top 5. Susie is 2 for 4 not 3 for 4. Mark has no business being #1 in your list, Landon is better. And that is your opinion. I have Kenny, Johnny, Evan, and Darrell over Landon, but over Mark and Theo V.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 20:43:13 GMT -5
I dont think cara quit i think she just up and lost in name that coconut
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Post by briqsquad on Jun 5, 2014 22:54:12 GMT -5
Landon is not a better challenge player overall than Mark, Bananas, Kenny Darrell, and Theo V. Only person that could squeeze in is probably Evan. These guys are all good socially, politically, and competitions. Landon lacks strategy compared to the top 5. Susie is 2 for 4 not 3 for 4. Mark has no business being #1 in your list, Landon is better. And that is your opinion. I have Kenny, Johnny, Evan, and Darrell over Landon, but over Mark and Theo V. on your first list you have landon number one though? I think bananas is better than mark and if he wins free agents he will be number one and if he doesn't, ill change my rules around so that he's number one
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2014 17:51:21 GMT -5
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