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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 13, 2016 1:02:55 GMT -5
Did you not proofread your own post? & me posting it in here is because the question is for alad but I'd still like to elaborate... You're asking why we didnt "pretend to be fake then blindside you." And im telling you why.. Gosh you make it so hard for this to stay in the context of a game lol TBH I appreciate you trying to advocate on alad's behalf but part of this game is responding to jury questions at ftc. I know that if I was the mastermind that alad says he is, would have gone for a game winning move at this point and totally blindsided me. The idol play was happening regardless of how you guys voted. Ask Mana. But It is irrelevant TBH. How is what they did not a better move? If they don't vote for you there is always the risk you don't play the idols. You couldn't have lost any trust in them by them voting for you because if there was trust there to begin with then you wouldn't have played the idols. If they don't vote with Lan on f6 tribal they don't establish a tighter bond with Lan and guarantee he sides with them at f5. So if they voted out Anthony with you then they just lied to Lan and now they will be down 3-2 because Lan won the next immunity. They valued setting up a relationship with Lan over getting more shock value, its the difference between a flashy move and a smart move.
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:09:56 GMT -5
Okay then lol. Thats that. & Mel please b honest, I clearly told you I was done with you basically the night before and after your idol play. You knew I was voting you so why act as if it came as a shocker? I only bring up loyalty because lying by omission is still lying and when you try to call me out on my backstabs ill return the favor. Everything that happened in the game happened. I truly dont take it personal... Lol I don't remember ever acting like it was a shock. I had a gut feeling you two had flipped - lol you can blame Anthony for that... When he tried to get setsu to flip and vote me out. Loyalty to an alliance and not giving you an idol that may or may not be fake are two totally different things. Why would I give you an idol when you never ever had to prove your loyalty to me. I took your loyalty at face value. You on the other hand expected me to prove my loyalty to you... When you said it yourself... We were never close. The idols are a non issue and TBH I personally hate idols... But I had two of them... Go figure. Who gave you all the clues to the small idol board? Oh right that was me. Show of loyalty right there in my eyes. I also gave them to setsu and Jonas. Guess it was karma that I found them in the end.
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:18:40 GMT -5
BTW guys - If you wanted nude photos so desperately you should have just asked me yourself.
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 13, 2016 1:19:22 GMT -5
Yes but how is it a smarter to go against Lan on the vote right before they needed him most when you were idoling out Anthony regardless?
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:21:37 GMT -5
Yes but how is it a smarter to go against Lan on the vote right before they needed him most when you were idoling out Anthony regardless? If you want to make a "game winning move" was my comment. That would have guaranteed my vote tbh.
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:22:04 GMT -5
TBH I appreciate you trying to advocate on alad's behalf but part of this game is responding to jury questions at ftc. I know that if I was the mastermind that alad says he is, would have gone for a game winning move at this point and totally blindsided me. The idol play was happening regardless of how you guys voted. Ask Mana. But It is irrelevant TBH. How is what they did not a better move? If they don't vote for you there is always the risk you don't play the idols. You couldn't have lost any trust in them by them voting for you because if there was trust there to begin with then you wouldn't have played the idols. If they don't vote with Lan on f6 tribal they don't establish a tighter bond with Lan and guarantee he sides with them at f5. So if they voted out Anthony with you then they just lied to Lan and now they will be down 3-2 because Lan won the next immunity. They valued setting up a relationship with Lan over getting more shock value, its the difference between a flashy move and a smart move. Honestly I am so over the "idols". I was always playing them - TBH it wasn't to save myself but to control who was eliminated - I know you all don't believe me cause you seem to be stuck on this whole "idol play" so ask setsu - he and I talked about this tribal and it was too good an opportunity to pass up - we knew the vote could be 2-2-2 or 4-2 so playing the idols guaranteed that we could break up one of the duo's. I remained loyal to alad and Don and took out Anthony. I was getting votes from Anthony and LAN anyway - cause Anthony tried to get Setsu to vote for me too. It is what it is.
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:24:25 GMT -5
Yes but how is it a smarter to go against Lan on the vote right before they needed him most when you were idoling out Anthony regardless? If you want to make a "game winning move" was my comment. That would have guaranteed my vote tbh. Lan was always going to take out Don tbh - I don't see how aligning with Lan was more beneficial than aligning with me and setsu - I honestly believe that they would have had a better chance of f2 with setsu and I.
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 13, 2016 1:27:49 GMT -5
Yes but how is it a smarter to go against Lan on the vote right before they needed him most when you were idoling out Anthony regardless? If you want to make a "game winning move" was my comment. That would have guaranteed my vote tbh. Idgi, you should be crediting them for making a deal before you did and forcing an idol play. You might have been playing them regardless but its still safer and smarter to vote for you which ensures the idols are gone one way or another. There was far more risks in voting with you that tribal and personally I think that makes it a better move to avoid the risks and put themselves in a power position at the next tribal
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 1:28:47 GMT -5
BTW guys - If you wanted nude photos so desperately you should have just asked me yourself.
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Post by Donald on Feb 13, 2016 1:29:03 GMT -5
Okay then lol. Thats that. & Mel please b honest, I clearly told you I was done with you basically the night before and after your idol play. You knew I was voting you so why act as if it came as a shocker? I only bring up loyalty because lying by omission is still lying and when you try to call me out on my backstabs ill return the favor. Everything that happened in the game happened. I truly dont take it personal... Lol I don't remember ever acting like it was a shock. I had a gut feeling you two had flipped - lol you can blame Anthony for that... When he tried to get setsu to flip and vote me out. Loyalty to an alliance and not giving you an idol that may or may not be fake are two totally different things. Why would I give you an idol when you never ever had to prove your loyalty to me. I took your loyalty at face value. You on the other hand expected me to prove my loyalty to you... When you said it yourself... We were never close. The idols are a non issue and TBH I personally hate idols... But I had two of them... Go figure. Who gave you all the clues to the small idol board? Oh right that was me. Show of loyalty right there in my eyes. I also gave them to setsu and Jonas. Guess it was karma that I found them in the end. I dont hold anythinggggg against you lol was I surprised that you didn't play the idols on me ...no. Was I surprised that you lied to me twice about having them...yes. Thats all it is. You dont realize you were a jury threat and if you dont think so the read the previous pages before we got here... Alot of people were rooting for you missy lol. I feel like you're taking this personally though so I'll go back to how we were the past two weeks and leave ya alone
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:31:29 GMT -5
If you want to make a "game winning move" was my comment. That would have guaranteed my vote tbh. Idgi, you should be crediting them for making a deal before you did and forcing an idol play. You might have been playing them regardless but its still safer and smarter to vote for you which ensures the idols are gone one way or another. There was far more risks in voting with you that tribal and personally I think that makes it a better move to avoid the risks and put themselves in a power position at the next tribal Honestly - I just want to make a decision based on the f2 - I know where you and Don sit on this. I am not going to comment on the idol any more. It was happening regardless of who they voted with. I congratulated Lan and Alad for making f2. Both took me out - tbh I would take me out of a game too. I now want to know why they think they deserve my vote.
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Post by Helen of Troy on Feb 13, 2016 1:31:54 GMT -5
If you want to make a "game winning move" was my comment. That would have guaranteed my vote tbh. Lan was always going to take out Don tbh - I don't see how aligning with Lan was more beneficial than aligning with me and setsu - I honestly believe that they would have had a better chance of f2 with setsu and I. I take 2 issues with that statement. 1) you and Setsu at that point were a much bigger challenge threat than Lan and Anthony. 2) thats what makes it a great move for Alad. When they went with Lan Alad had a secured spot in the f2, don didn't and it might not have bee the best move for don cause you and Setsu MIGHT have taken him but it was a great move for Alad because Lan was never taking don but Don isn't in the f2 Alad is so it was the best move possible for Alad
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Post by Donald on Feb 13, 2016 1:32:36 GMT -5
And like Jonas said Mel.. I was really thinking long term lol voting you out was the only longterm move that I made tbh. I knew if I kept you... 1. You were a comp threat so keeping you any longer could've been suicidical considering you were already a jury threat. 2. Those idols lol. Setsu knew I was a threat and if we spared you 1 round and then you played the idols next round ai know for sure setsu would of tried to get lan/anthony (whoever was left) to vote me out and you probably wouldve stayed neutral to not cause rifts between me or setsu.
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Post by Donald on Feb 13, 2016 1:33:48 GMT -5
Mel the only problem with my move is I didnt know that the so called goat that we carried was a comp threat too lol
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2016 1:39:32 GMT -5
Why
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:41:49 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with voting me out - I have an issue with you all questioning my game play all the time.
I am not in the game anymore so it is irrelevant. MY idol play went down exactly as it was meant to weather you all voted for me or not. I knew I was getting votes 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 however many was irrelevant cause my idol play was designed to take out one of them not one of us. Believe me or not. I was loyal to you, alad and setsu. If I had of voted you instead of Anthony - they would be f2 right now.
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Post by Donald on Feb 13, 2016 1:43:34 GMT -5
I already said Thank you for you not voting me out lol remember the pm I sent ya sweetheart?
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:46:35 GMT -5
I already said Thank you for you not voting me out lol remember the pm I sent ya sweetheart? No - are you sure you didn't send it to someone else?
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Post by M on Feb 13, 2016 1:48:32 GMT -5
I don't remember ever acting like it was a shock. I had a gut feeling you two had flipped - lol you can blame Anthony for that... When he tried to get setsu to flip and vote me out. Loyalty to an alliance and not giving you an idol that may or may not be fake are two totally different things. Why would I give you an idol when you never ever had to prove your loyalty to me. I took your loyalty at face value. You on the other hand expected me to prove my loyalty to you... When you said it yourself... We were never close. The idols are a non issue and TBH I personally hate idols... But I had two of them... Go figure. Who gave you all the clues to the small idol board? Oh right that was me. Show of loyalty right there in my eyes. I also gave them to setsu and Jonas. Guess it was karma that I found them in the end. I dont hold anythinggggg against you lol was I surprised that you didn't play the idols on me ...no. Was I surprised that you lied to me twice about having them...yes. Thats all it is. You dont realize you were a jury threat and if you dont think so the read the previous pages before we got here... Alot of people were rooting for you missy lol. I feel like you're taking this personally though so I'll go back to how we were the past two weeks and leave ya alone Honestly It is a game. I was over it the moment I was voted out. You are the one who told me to leave you alone - so I have. Talk to me or don't talk to me. Just move on.
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Post by Donald on Feb 13, 2016 1:48:52 GMT -5
im sure.
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